Pro Life Pro Choice question?

Question

Ive recently heard a way of looking at abortion that is disturbing to me, they likened the pro choicers to pro slavery, and i got to say i see their point, Slaverers dehumanized blacks - Pro choicers say that it isnt really a baby or human or alive, Slaverers said they had a right to their own "property" - Pro choicers say they have a right to their own body and neglect to mention it is two people now instead of one. Any detractors? or anyone agree or disagree?

Someone said that a body is not the same as property and dismissed my question. I think you need to ready it more carefully, Blacks a couple hundred years ago were just that,... property. And id also like to say NO ONE can say when a person is a person.. this is the dehumanization that i was talking about. Also have you seen some of the pictures of abortions? not pretty and looks pretty human to me. Also to the person that said about A slave in her own body.. bull crap shes carrying another life now no one speaks for that little person. just because the baby is unwanted does not automatically lower the babys worthiness

i love the way some are twisting my words. Again Pro Lifers are not enslaving the would be Abortionists, its a matter of erring on the side of life, you act like carrying around a child for a few months is a death sentence. I believe that their should be instances when abortion is alowed.. like i said err on the side of life. Look at it this way Pro Lifers are only saying that it is a child, that child has rights too yet no one speaks for the child. our mission is to get everyone to believe that the life of that child is His or Her own. We dont want to have to regulate what you do or dont do threw laws, we want you to believe as we do, but we also understand whats realistic and the pro choicers have made it abundantly clear what they see as right so we fight to make laws because we are tired of hearing about slaughted children for birth cont. The mission of the Pro Choicers is to say its not really a child. Its my body leave me alone. I think it common sense where these differences lie

i seem to have to keep repeating myself .. the answers i was getting were good until kil yur tele had to open up.. my adds should have already picked apart your arguments if you had bothered to read them. Most important statement you said is that we do not know what humanhood is. YOUR RIGHT!!!!!! but you pretend that you know the facts when no one else does. like i said before i err on the side of Life on this point. Your point on that is baselss and very weak. You contend that (along with many others) its somehow a christian thing. I dont see it that way as many others do not either that are pro life. Its a difference of right and wrong, One way is life the other is death

and i have to add that at the end you say its about the government infringment not about abortion.. This is so far wrong and why Pro Life and Pro choice people will never understand each other. Pro Lifers believe its all about the unborn child THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING! who gives a flying flip about the government???? and i have to go back to what you said earlier one more time just to make myself clear. Do you know what constitutes personhood? is there scientific fact that a fetus is not a person? what gives you the right or authority to determine this? I have already claimed that i dont know either but once again my way is life your way is death. who's life superceeds the other? i think i already touched on this ready my statements. Your way is well its an inconvienience to the mother so go ahead and abort. Pro Lifers dont want laws they want people to see that what they could be doing is killing off a life and maybe even an important one.

Answer 1

you nailed it good job

Answer 2

Issue one. You are making the assumption that a fetus IS a person. What is that based on? What exactly are the criteria for personhood? On what authority is this criteria based?

We all agree that a living neonate is a person, but there is no such agreement on the personhood of a fetus. Some will contend that "it has a beating heart, therefore it's obviously a person" but this doesn't stand up to reason. WHO SAYS that a beating heart constitutes personhood? For those who say it does, there are at least as many who contend that it does not. Whether one asserts or denies the personhood of a fetus, one's position is based on faith or sentiment, not on fact.

Second issue. Even if we did reach a general agreement that a fetus is a person, there is the question of who's rights prevail when there is a conflict. Does one's right to be secure in one's person extend to infringing upon another's such right? In case of such conflict, which right will superceed, the adult's or the fetus's?

So I'd say your whole argument is based on two very tenuous assumptions, and your analogy is a poor one. Remember, it's not about abortion, it's about giving government the power to base laws on faith rather than on protecting individual's rights.

Answer 3

The question of when a fetus becomes a person is central to the debate over reproductive freedom, but it is not the same question as whether or not an African is a person. A fetus begins as a group of cells and develops into a person. I don't think anybody would argue that an embryo is a person. The argument that it is a potential person is not the same thing. Also a body is not the same as property. This is not a legitimate comparison.

Answer 4

One could posit it further that if you took the fetus out of the mother and offered no healthy support, how long would it live.

Viability is the key, which differes from a premature birth.

A long time ago, even the Church permitted abortion if done within a proper time frame

To wit: 4th Century AD –St.Augustine lays down Catholic dogma sanctioning abortion up to 80 days for female fetus and up to 40 days for male fetus.

1588 – Pope Sixtus forbids all abortions.

1591 – Pope Gregory XIV rescinds Pope Sixtus’ edict against abortion.

So the church goes back and forth on this. Adding to the fire:

1930 – Pope Pius XI affirms Catholic dogma that every act of sexual intercourse is a sin unless performed with a reproductive intent.

Answer 5

I'm pro-choice, but I don't go on the "It's my body so I can do whatever I want" argument. I believe that there are certain situations where it would be far worse for both the woman and her future child if things went forward. Where do we draw the line on what's a human and what's not? Let's say in the case of stem cells, is a 100 celled organism a human being?

Answer 6

Honestly I feel like in certain extreme situations abortions should be allowed for. On the other hand, because it is so devastating to a womans body, and god forbid we make them slaves to thier bodies, if someone abuses it there should be some kind of consequence. These days we tend to forget that parenthood is a blessing, there are people in the world who wish everyday to be parents and some of us that sit comfortably and throw babies away.

Answer 7

I think you may be on to something, but it is the pro lifers that are the slave owners. They are telling the "slaves" what they can do and can't do. They are making the "slaves" have the Master's baby out of wedlock. The pro lifers think the Bible supports them and it doesn't.The pro-life movement is exactly like a slave master. Way to go!

Answer 8

Yeah, abortion is the slavery of this century. What many people do not realize is that it is still a lot about blacks! Poor black women are being pressured to have abortions to reduce the African American population. Research Black Genocide. Good luck.

Answer 9

It's simple.

The Kill-If-I-Want-To group believes the individual should be in control of their own bodies.

The Forced-Birth group believe they know better and must force their will upon the individual who disagrees.

I belong to the I'm-Sick-Of-This-Argument camp that would rather hear politicians debate topics such as the budget defecit.

Answer 10

This is a tough issue. I think there needs to be the freedom of choice, but more moderate lifestyles so it's a last resort in a medical, abuse, rape, etc. situation. Certainly not used as birth control as so many do now.
There is no "name" for someone who believes this... every title is black or white ~ for or against. Life it not so easy to put in a nutshell.

Answer 11

Yeah I get it....by taking away a womans right to choose you're making her a slave to her own body.

YOU DO WANT TO REGULATE WHAT I DO. You say it's a child...I say it's a bunch of cells. You say life begins at conception...i say life began a billion years ago and it's a continuous process.

If you think abortion is murder....don't get one.