For Christians: Some "myths?" PLEASE dispute with FACTS (no Bible citations)?

Question

You say:
1.ALL societies are and governments are against gay marriage
FALSE: As a matter of fact, almost 2/3s of cultures BEFORE the Judeo peoples violently (yes, read your history: VOILENTLY) took over had some form of OFFICIAL gay marriage. In today's time several peoples still have it or have reinstated it, INCLUDING the Cherokee of the US.

2. If we allow homosexuals to marry, then what will stop us from marrying our dogs, cats, cars etc?
Wow. You guys who think of this are rather mentally ill. Who said, "If we allow Blacks the right to vote, what wil stop us from allowing our dogs, cats, cars to vote?" I'm not talking about inter-special relations here; I'm talking about two people who are just as human as anyone else.

3. It's unnatural and aberrational.
Check out the NY zoo. Two male penguins are successfully raising a baby when they had several females to choose from. Or the griffin vultures in the israeli zoo. If you want cited proof see Biological Exuberance--a book

Come on, I was expecting the ravers to refute!

They guy marrying the horde was trying to make an example--I'm STILL talking about intraspecial marriage here. Same thing--I could go to the courthouse and try to marry my bird--he IS a male! My point still stands.

As for the Greeks, well, look how prevalent the act of pedophelia is here! And how many pedophiles are gay? Not a terrible amount. And what about the native American societies? The African societies? The 5th century Catholics (who performed same-sex unions)? Why bring up one society where, yes, pedophelia comes up?

And how much about the Greeks do you know? Did you know that when an older man took a youth under his wing, oftentimes sex didn't come until he was, in fact, older; but he was more like an apprentice?

Answer 1

I will address your points individually then wrap it

1. Violence and sex are a long standing tradition in human history. Christians are no exception. With regards to all governments rejecting gay marriage, I'm not familiar with all the current governments on the planet, so I cannot say for sure. Given some of the practices of governments (ours included) I don't think anyone really wants to play that card.

2. Your first point is vaild. Homosexuality is not "gateway" sex to bestiality or pedophelia. I dismiss proponents of such theories as morons. Your second point shows a startling lack of historical knowledge. While some denominations of "Christians" (or people of Judeo-Christian backgrounds) were ardently opposed to intergration and inter marriage, many others were proponents. Two of the three civil rights workers murdered in Mississippi in 1964 were Jewish. The woman murdered during the Selma to montgomery march was a white Christian. As much as you expect people to avoid strereotyping others or absurd conclusions, you should avoid it yourself.

3. Natural is a very subjective term. Is war unnatural? How abot murder, violence, rape? All of these are as old as history.

On to the subject at hand, science in the hands of anyone with an agenda can prove just about anything. (That applies to both sides) As a married Christian, I'm not concerned about gay marriage. More than one half of all hetro marriages (Christian or not) end in divorce in the US. To me, a ban on gay marriage only prevents gay divorces.

The oposition to gay marriage is actually not as monolithic as you believe. Sure they have their numbers, but they seem magnified by the noise they make multiplied by the press coverage. This is 21st Century America. Most Americans are apathetic otherwise more people would vote. Quite frankly, if two people want to get married, just do it. It's not exactly as though there is a penalty or some type of punishment administered by the state. You may not have the rights of surviorship initially but those of us who have poor relationships with our in-laws face the same (Think of Mr. Schiavo). You can only enjoy a marriage while you're alive anyway. Who knows what my wife will do if I go first. Truthfully, at that point it is no longer my concern.

Answer 2

I just wanted to say to BigTony that you seem pretty rational and receptive. As such, survivorship rights aren't the only legal rights in marriages that gay couples are trying to get. There's a whole big mess that can happen with adoption, there's hospital visitation rights, theres taxes (sounds selfish, but statistically speaking, we make less money than hetero counterparts. That statistic is probably outliered by the numbers of us that start out homeless due to being kicked out, as well as by the states that still don't have any legal protection from biased firings); there's a LOT at stake for us. And it's a little bit easy for you, who has access to it, to tell us it's not that great and don't worry about it.

Answer 3

Your common sense is defective. info can - and are - disputed on an primary foundation, by technique of rational human beings. A reality is *no longer* "some thing that could't be disputed." as an celebration, it truly is a undeniable reality that the earth has no longer been flat throughout the time of human historic previous. in spite of the indisputable fact that, that reality became no longer commonplace by technique of maximum individuals for a lot of that element. That *reality* hasn't ever replaced. It became as a lot a reality 2,000 years in the past that the earth became no longer flat because it truly is now. What has replaced is the *expertise* of that reality, no longer the reality itself. Likewise, it should be a undeniable reality that animals have advanced from unmarried-celled organisms. we received't *tutor* it truly is a reality, in spite of the indisputable fact that it *ought to* be a reality. in addition, those Christians who believe that the bible is God's be conscious may be maximum ideal. *If* they're, then they're concerning a reality. no matter if it isn't, then they don't look to be. hence, it truly is *no longer* "dishonest of them to assert it as authentic". For all that all of us understand, it *ought to* be authentic, and no matter if it truly is, they're telling the reality and are by technique of no potential being dishonest. So, which one is it? *I* believe that the bible is the understand God. *I* believe that this is a reality. it isn't in the present day a *verifiable* reality, yet, then, neither are many stuff that individuals believe that don't have from now on some thing in besides to do with faith (as an celebration, species evolution). Jim, B.S. in Physics

Answer 4

Are U A Guy Or Gurl?You Look Like A Guy.If Your A Girl Your Pretty....(UGLY)

Answer 5

I asked a question a while back and again the bible chewers had nothing to say. Funny how they choose NOT to pick on the ones who are ready to argue. Wimps.

Answer 6

I love your question, but be prepared for some real dumbass answers, I got the same ones when I posted a question similar to this one. All we ever do is ask for logical reasons-no religious bs-and what do they do? Quote the bible and say "Well don't get mad at me, I answered your question."

Answer 7

if you want the opposition to respond, try posting your question in religion and spirituality where more of them hang out.

Answer 8

Did you intentionally leave out the fact that in ancient times it was men who liked to have sex with boys. They were pederasts.
"Although popular demand for state-recognized same-sex marriage is a relatively new phenomenon in modern times, various types of same-sex unions have existed in earlier cultures. These have ranged from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions. The practice of same-sex love in antiquity often took the form of FORMAL PAIRINGS OF MEN WITH YOUTHS, which had many of the attributes of marriage but WERE LIMITED IN DURATION." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
The word homosexual did not even exist in ancient times.
The ancient greeks, including the pederasts, had contempt for feminine men that desired receptive anal intercourse and criminalized a variety of homosexual behaviors.
They ancient greeks did not approve of exclusive homosexual behavior or of homosexual behavior between adult men.(Bullough VL. The contradictory contribution of the Greeks. Sexual variance in society and history.)
Upper class men in classical Greece tolerated love between adult men and adolescent boys in a non-carnal, aesthetic, and spiritual context, and to the extent that boy-love did not threaten the "oikos," i.e. family.
Woman in classical Greece generally disapproved of boy-love.(Licht H. Sexual Life in Ancient Greece.)
It is remarkable that most American textbooks on human sexuality attempt to portray male homosexual teleiophilic behavior, sexual preference for adults and adolescents, as normal and urge its acceptance by pointing to the occurrence and acceptance of pederasty in numerous cultures, but portray contemporary Western pederasty as pathological.(Rind B. - Biased use of cross-cultural and historical perspectives on male homosexuality in human sexuality textbooks)

In March 1975, in Boulder Colorado county clerk Clela Rorex began handing out marriage licenses to same-sex couples; when the news spread, a man attempted to get a marriage license for himself and his horse.
Since many homosexuals dislike living as heterosexuals, then why are gay and lesbians willing to to be assimilated into heterosexual models, i.e. marriage.

"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
~hunter S. Thompson
It is interesting that we humans will label other humans with an animal name that fits their lifestyle.
We all have an inner animal. Think of yourself as an animal trainer and keep your inner animal under close watch.
Men who deceive woman for sex are often called dogs or pigs.
Think of the phrase "sexual predator", it suggests an animal stalking it's victim.
People will refer to other people as snakes, or snakes in the grass, lounge lizards, sharks. She is as big as a cow. Eat like pigs. Are you a mouse or a man? He's nothing but a rat. You have the manners of a monkey.Sly as a fox. When watching the news and reports of violent crimes are told, do we not sit in disbelief that humans will stoop so low as to act like animals. Unfortunately society is full of human beings who have seceded from humanity and forged alliances with their inner beasts.
Your inner animal will convince you that you have no choice because it is not in the interest of your inner animal that you have a choice.
Animals are the wrong way to go. Stay with your species.

Answer 9

good question ...but you're gonna get some really stupid and religious people answering this one.....But I agree with you.