Why do Gay people and Gay supporters try to tell everyone else what to accept and what no to accept?

Question

I'm not for gay marrige becasue a line has to be drawn or why have rules at all. So I used the example of Cousins, pets and people desire to marry them. Sure enough Gay people and gay supporters tell me Thats morally wrong, Cousins should never be allowed to get married and its not the same thing. But same sex relationships thats totally ok. So it' ok for you to think some relationships are morally wrong but if My Hetero opinion doens't agree with yours I'm wrong . Not even close. All I'm saying is if we Lets gays marry why discriminate on anyone else. Your not that special, Cousins and sh** like that has been going on as long as Your relationships so why not give them rights to. Thats terrible that Gay supporters and Gay people would even look down that, arent you being what you tell Heteros not to be. My point is , don't tell me what I should accept and what I shouldn't cause you don't like it when when it happens to you.

We change the rules for you we have to chnage them for everyone else.

I got some nice answers on here. Some hateful some supportive, I can dig it.

Well Lubers all me to retort, I used very simple examples of concepts in society that are considered morally wrong. You pointed out why they are wrong but since you agree with homosexuality of course you couldn't come up with a flaw, that would be way to honest and upfront. Plus we all like our opinions to look and contradicting oneself is not fun to say the least. I don't agree with it. I don't agree with teachers telling my lil sister she may be gay because she rambunctions and likes to climb trees. I don't agree with the definitons it's try to implicate on people to force them on way or the other at 13 years old. THat just adds to the identity crisis at the age even more. Two for two women to tell thier son You don't need a man in your life and you don't have a dad, thats beyond messed up. There are dead beat dads but at least in the back of ones mind as a child he knows I have a dad. To purpose ex that out of a kids life is ultimate selfishness.

Answer 1

Okay, using the two examples you have stated cousins and pets.

Why is it bad for cousins to marry?
Because when two people from the same blood lines have children, the risks for birth defects are increased. Bottom line, someone gets hurt. In this case any potential offspring.

Why is it bad to marry pets?
Because pets do not have the intellect or self awareness to make the decision to be married. Bottom line, we are talking about marrying two people here.

Honestly I couldn't care less what your opinion is of gay marriage. The arguments you have made here are, simply put, ridiculous and do nothing to defend your arguments. You presented nothing that gave a truly logical reason why it should not be permitted.

I can certainly not ask you to accept it, but I do ask what would the impact of this be? If two consenting men or women want to commit themselves to each other, what is the just cause to prevent that from happening? Where is the harm to you, me or society in general if this were permitted? Personally, I think this sounds an awfully similar to the comments that were made by white people when the Jim Crow laws were being repealled.

If you can give me reasonable arguments that this would have a negative impact on our society I would be happy to reverse my views.

Addendum:
I agree with your statement that I do not see issues with gay marriage, but I am being completely honest and open minded when I ask for a valid argument in defense of your position. My argument in defense of it is that if it is permitted, aside from an individual's religious or moral views, there is no impact on the lives of those of us who are not gay. What I am asking you to do is present me with one argument that logically defends your position. I absolutely have an open mind not just about this, but on most subjects.

You are right to disagree with a teacher telling your sister she may be gay because of those reasons. She might as well tell her the reason is the sky is blue.

I also agree that it is wrong for two women to tell their son that they don't need a man in their lives. It is a close minded approach to life. My problem with your argument on this point is that you assume that all gay couples take this approach. There are some who have a closed mind and would do exactly what you describe here but the majority are more opened minded than any straight people I know. The exact same situation exists in the broken home example you brought up. There are just as many women and men who preach to their children how evil the opposite sex are because they have been screwed over in a relationship.

FYI: I am far from a radical liberal. There are probably many issues we agree on. I take issue with both liberals and conservatives who do not truly look into both sides of a debate.

Answer 2

The real question is Why do Religious persons believe that only They know what,s right for others?Long before anyone ever brought up the issues of Gay Rights or Evolution or Space or Birth Control or Family Planning the Religious community was already imposing it,s standards on everyone.And anyone who disagreed with Their beliefs paid the price.In the last few hundred years the world has progressed and learned that the Church was wrong about a lot of things.The world is not flat.The Sun does not go around the Earth.There is a vast Universe and We are not the center of it.You should,nt keep having Children You can,t support or look after properly .But They keep side stepping the real issues and keep looking for ways to stalemate and avoid the obvious.What is it with the Church that it keeps trying to impose its values on others when it,s own house is in such a mess?Better that two consenting Gays get married than to have Priests molesting young children .Time everyone cleaned up Their own houses and left the Gay,s alone.

Answer 3

1st. First cousins may marry in all but 24 states and you can marry a second cousin anywhere in the USA, I answered that question elsewhere in Yahoo Answers and cited the source. So that argument doesn't stand up very well.

How about the fact that two people love each other and want to provide and care for each other but are halted if one of them winds up in a hospital. Who should make decisions about this person? A family member that sees them once a year or a partner who cares for them every day? Not all gay people want to marry, but shouldn't they have an option to make that decision as you and I have?

I am not trying to shove gay rights in your face or make you believe in anything. However, I conclude that you are stating that you believe in the Golden rule (Do unto others) but that you are unwilling to reciprocate.

When I was in 7th or 8th grade and trying to understand what it meant to be gay (I'm chronically heterosexual), my mother told me a story about an uncle I would never know. He died in the 1950's. He was found in the high school gym, strangled by hanging under the bleachers with a note saying the reason was in his locker. In his locker they found a book on human sexuality marked in the section about homosexuality.

I concluded:

1. No one should die for being who they are.

2. No one should be excluded in the United States of America, or anywhere else, for being different. We all pay taxes the same, we all should have the same rights.

Cruelty does not do our world any good. Try a little kindness and see what that does for you.

I wish you peace, love and luck.

Answer 4

Of course, by this logic perhaps we should make rules that don't allow different races to marry. That would sure upset a lot of WWII vets and Vietnam vets who married oriental folks? Or Italians? Or Africans? Or folks from Middle east.

Or perhaps we should prevent a 25 year old from marrying a 30 year old.

The problem is that we each have our extended boundaries and some extend further than others. I'll bet your boundaries are a lot further out than most were 100 years ago. But at the gay issue you stop cold.

How will this hurt you personally if someone enters into a same gender union?

Answer 5

I can see your point there. I don't agree with the lifestyle either. It's probably because it's an issue today that is sitting in courts all the time. It's what's big right now I guess. But just because you don't agree with their lifestyle or opinion doesn't mean they don't deserve the same respect. Like you said, you don't want to be told what to be and not to be. So just be upfront and honest, but not hateful. If they want to pass judgement on you, then so be it. You probably pass judgement on them too. Hetrosexuals have the advantage because we outnumber gay people and their supporters. Gay people need the support and use whatever arguments they can. I know I would if I was the minority of an issue like this. Plus all their lives they've been attacked with this issue, who wouldn't fight back?

Answer 6

Well, that is pretty much right. Many people will say not to judge, don't try to force your religion on me, blaa blaa blaa. But as soon as the tables are turned, they do the same to you. If you try to say something, uh oh, you're "judging." Double standard. It's as simple as that. A good book you can read is "True For You But Not For Me." I don't remeber who it is by.

Edit:
Oh, and a bit of encouragment/advice... A responce to those who say that since you don't agree with gay marriage, you don't have to marry someone of the same sex.... It's kinda like saying "If you're against spousal abuse, don't abuse your wife. Stay out of my buissness" (even if they were both concenting adults beating each other, would it still be wrong?) Or, if someone says that what happens in their bedroom is private, how about if you rape or beat someone in the bedroom, is that wrong? What if I hide stolen stuff in the bedroom, is that wrong? Lame annalogy, but I'm sick of being told that just because it happens "in the bedroom" makes is untouchable by others.

Double Edit:
marrying different races is a lot different than genders. There are physical and psycholocial problems that come along with the gay lifestyle. You just have to look to find them since the people in charge of the media sypathise with the gay people. Nothing against the lifestyle is allowed on TV or in popular radio, magizines, movies, etc.... read some books, they are much more reliable:)

Answer 7

Probably the same reason why Gay marrage opponets want to tell everyone what to accept and what not to accept! Your a fleckin idiot, most of my gay friends don't want to force their opinion on others they just want to get married and live their lives like everyone else in the world does, why is it moraly wrong for two people to get married. They love each other, and they want to be together forever. All that marrage is, is a contract between two people anyway! So who's to say that a contract has to be between a man and a woman. How are they affecting you if they get married. Does it increase your taxes, does it force you to quit your job, does it make your life any different if Jack and John or Jane and Rebecca get hitched. Let me answer that question for you.......NO IT DOESN'T. You just want to control other peoples lifes cause you realise you don't have any control over yours! So in short.....
GET A LIFE, AND LEAVE OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES ALONE!!!

Answer 8

I'm not crazy about it either. And to hear people say that they were born that way really burns me up. It's not true. I agree that some folks have some tendencies, like, for example...I was a tomboy growing up. I climbed trees, played baseball, etc. Am I gay? Absolutely not. Society is too busy telling kids these days that if they HAVE these tendencies, then they are OBVIOUSLY gay which is a screaming lie. Now, I will slide off my soapbox. Thank you for the forum.

Answer 9

In your point...aren't you doing eaxactly the same thing you think the gays are doing. You expect them to accept your way of thinking all the while you deny them theirs. If gays marry, how are you directly or even indirectly affected. How does that threaten your well being? Will you not go one with your relationships as you choose fit and if so, is there real harm done. That, my friend, has yet to be proven. Its the religious right that has the agenda. They have the bully pulpit to express extreme views on how they want to impose their views and religions on others. I don't remember ever seeing a gay man or woman walking down the street pounding on doors telling me I need to change my ways or I may go to hell.

Answer 10

I think the cousin thing is more about potential genetic deficiencies in the baby, and not morality. Obviously, gays will not transmit any genetic deficiencies. And the animal thing goes under the heading of non-consent, like rape.

BTW, what do you care what they say you have to accept? Unless they tell you that YOU have to marry a person of the same sex? Or do you realistically think it will come to that? (And I'm asking you in all honesty, not being snotty....)