What is a realistic way to remove illegals?

Question

How do we not impede on civil rights of Americans? I am of Hispanic descent, and my family has been here more than 300 years. Also, with rampant document forging, how is verification actually accomplished within a reasonable time period?

Good answers, thx. A trebuchet for the felons only maybe, LOL.

Answer 1

Not sure what you are asking here...do you mean how to we prevent new illegals coming here or how to we get rid of the illegals already here? On the first, the easiest way is the way we in the US will probably never adopt--make it easy for employers to verify documents and hit employers with very stiff penalties (like heavy fines and jail time) for employing illegal aliens. We won't do that because the corporation and business in general simply have too much power in government--some say they own it. There are too many people who have a vested interest in hiring their underpaid gardeners, the cheap nanny or au pere, the day laborer and basically any labor that will do the job for the cheapest price. These people are the ones who will talk big talk about illegals, but turn right around and hire them while not paying into social security for them or paying them a decent wage. These hyprocrites and american business are why we still have a something like 1300 illegals crossing our southern border daily. And don't believe the recent rhetoric from the Bush administration--they've only addressed this issue recently--just in time for the next election cycle--they are the ones in the pockets of American corporations and they are the ones hiring those cheap gardeners, au peres and day laborers!

We also need to reform the immigration process and the deportation process to make them more fair and more streamlined to process a large number of people in a short time, while still guaranteeing rightst to fair hearings and appeals.

As to illegals already here--one argument is that they have found work in this economy and we would do our economy harm if we got rid of them. Another argument is that its impractical to hold hearings and actually deport that many people without creating a lot of legal and human rights abuses--could you imagine locking up 1300 people a day, giving them fair hearings in a reasonable amount of time and keeping them under decent conditions while locked up until they had their hearings? So ultimately the answer is some kind of amnesty allowing them to stay--and the US should in a way be flattered that so many still want to come here. Now there is a fundamental unfairness in granting an amnesty--its a slap in the face to others who waited a long time to come here legally--those who did it by the book.

Another problem with amnesties--it favors not only those who broke the law, but it also favors those in the lowest economic, educational status and those from only certain countries--so we end up with more poor, undereducated people and yes, many are Spanish-speaking. These people are more likely to need more social services than say educated technocrats from Europe for example. So it does not allow for a good mix of nationalities and education when we allow amnesties either. That said what's the alternative?

I object to another amnesty this time on a timing basis--I don't think that we consider doing anything with the illegals here, until we stop the in-flow of illegals at the border...once the border is secure, then we can consider what to do with those already here. For now they should remain in the their illegal status and be subject to whatever laws are on the books. We should be concentrating on the insecure borders first---unfortunately those who want to build a wall along the border have shown there is a need for one, much as it will resemble the Berlin Wall (at least its a fence to keep people out rather than keep people unlike the Berlin Wall). But, then the next step is to get really serious with employers--that means heavy handed penalties so they stop employing illegals and it means an easy way to verify status--that means reforming the bureaucracy that deals with immigration and unfortunately probably means some form of relatively tamper-proof national identity for citizens and naturalized persons--we should get over this concept as we already have a hodgepodge of national identity papers as it is--drivers licenses, passports, birth certificates and social security numbers--which effectively make it very easy to forge identification and very hard for an employer to know if you are legitimate or not. We need one identity that will be the acceptable form for all employment, one that is verifiable in short order. I suggest a permanent work card of some sort issued by the US Dept. of Labor, verifiying information kept in a database that is public record, that can be accessed by telephone, internet and by old fashion written request by any prospective employer. That employer must demonstrate with proof positive that the database was checked by supplying a confirmation number that the department of labor would issue for each and every inquiry made of the database. It would be a massive database tracking not only every eligible worker but every employer inquiry tied to that particular worker.

Some would say what I propose is an ugly invasion of privacy, but if its only used to track employment viability, I don't see where it will hurt to have a complete work history stored in the database (as in every inquiry associated with the employee making a record of every job they ever applied for). Alternatively the database on inquiries would not have to be tied to the employee identification, in which case the database storing the inquiry would simply verify that the employer inquired and got an okay, but not stored in connection with any particular employee. That would satisfy the privacy types better.

Expensive and still subject to abuse as ID cards could be forged and duplicated. The database would be massive and would have to be fast with lots of access points, it would need back ups and the data entry would have to be closely controlled and verified. So it would be a major undertaking....but since the government is already doing things like this without our knowledge in the Dept. of Homeland Security (which is busy reading our banking records, recording our phone calls, intercepting emails and God knows what else) we know that such a database system is possible.

So that's my suggestion for dealing with the issues.....not likely to happen though..there are too many vested interests who would want to see this not come to pass--employers who like their cheap labor, advocacy groups who want illegals to come here (they have a job being their advocates after all), illegals themselves, privacy advocates who say this is heavy handed and invading privacy, lawyers who right now make plenty of money helping illegals stay here by using the process and lawyers who work for the government looking for shortcuts to get rid of people (and I know of at least one case where an illegal was offered a ticket home for herself and her child if she would just waive the hearings and be gone in a short time--she took the deal rather than go through deportation hearings and being taken into custody while they went on).

Its a major problem and so far the US collectively has not shown the will power, the resolve to get serious about it.

Answer 2

No, with the vast number that are here already and more arriving everyday, no. The only way to slow it down would be to make America look worse to them then where they are now. That is not going to happen. There are just to many pit falls for the verification process to be accomplished in a reasonable time frame and to many ways for the verifiers to take bribes etc. It is a real mess. And I don't care what Bill O'Reilly says about it there is not realistic solution

Answer 3

First we desire a Wall alongside our southern Border. And sufficient Border guards to surely safeguard it. 2d you in simple terms commence screening for Illegals organisation by organisation Deporting them as you flow. human beings say it may't be finished because the business equipment ought to cave in. that is BS the approach ought to take time to deport 12 to twenty Million Illegals. this is compared to will awaken quicker or later and POOF there all lengthy gone. agencies ought to have time to employ New workers to replace the Illegals. If agencies comply with paintings with the federal authorities and instruct they couldn't get criminal US voters to do those jobs then shall we in all likelihood seem into allowing some to stay to inform the tale paintings Visa's AFTER the flow by a protection and reduce back floor verify.

Answer 4

Let the people who claim to own the land send their children to school,not frown on any job irrespective of how much they are offered,not create chaos in other countries,not to get involved in stuff that ain't their business and finally,let them make laws and stick to it.

Answer 5

A trebuchet!

Answer 6

It would really be a simple thing to do, stop welfare checks and place a tax on all monies sent by wire into Mexico

Answer 7

Anyone here that does not belong here should be concidered a TERRORIST!
GIT A ROPE... and GIT-ER DONE!
YE-HAA!

Answer 8

legalize them

Answer 9

legalize them

Answer 10

f u cant agree on how to rule themselves.. u must to rule them...agree??