why does the gay community...?

Question

why does the gay community always knock on the christians, religious, straights, people against gay marriage, and others?

ok, sure these people are commonly seen as the attckers of the gay community, but think about this

a lot of gay people ARE christian or religious. a lot of straight people support the gay community. a lot of people against gay marriage are not against it out of hate, but they just feel that homosexuals would do better off with civil unions (you have a better chance making civil unions equal to gay marriage then trying to get gay marriage).

and knock on any other people? if any of these people crack jokes at you, make fun, pick on you, go against you, or anything else, the best thing to do is ignor it and move on

striking back only harms both sides and the side seen as "against gays" isn't even completely against gays.

what do you think? agree? disagree? plz explain why

ok, then i didn't mean they "always" knock on these people. yet, it happens often.

some of these people homosexuals knock on are in your own gay community

by the way, i am a straight christian male against gay marriages yet am more towards civil unions

some people are taking this offensively and i think it is a result of them not reading the question all the way thru:

i am just saying to watch what you say about a group of people who you believe to be against you because that group of people might BE you and by that i mean be part of your gay community

also, i am not saying take all the harassment, i am saying fight for civil unions istead of knocking on people

i am not telling you how to live, yet asking a question

Answer 1

i agree with you that alot of heteros accept gay and agree that a lot of gays are christians, but i don't agree with you when you say they "always" knock on the christians, religious, straights, people against gay marriage, and others? "always" is a blaming word and that is stereotypical!! some gays might judge to quickly and be offensive, but not all of them!! i'm not sure if you heard about it, but their have been cases of gays being beat up badly and sometimes dying, or about gays not being able to go to some schools, or gays being constantly judged by family, strangers, and friends!! no i am not gay, but i do like to keep an open mind!! you are really smart, though, keep on keepin on!!

Answer 2

I disagree, though I understand your point, this is why I think it's flawed...

Throughout American history, marginalized groups have never recieved equal rights by sitting down, being patient, and waiting for the majority group to become comfortable enough to grant them whatever rights they think they should get. If that is what women and African Americans had done, they would still not have equal rights today. While turning the other cheek sounds noble and like the best way to make a good impression on the straight majority, in reality it doesn't work very well. The majority is content to sit by and make no changes as long as the minority groups look content, or even discontent but not troublesome. So, acting content, patient and peaceful gets no results.

As for the knocking of Christians, people against gay marriage, etc... All people, gay included, myself included in this post, have a tendency to generalize into groups. Most gay people know that a lot of gay people are religious, most of them know that not all Christians are against gays, and that many straights support their rights. But, for better or worse, people have a tendency to generalize when complaining. You've done it yourself here, by uttering the statement "why does the gay community always knock on..." Turn that into "why does the Christian community always knock on gays?" and that's probably the kind of statement you're talking about. It's not right, but we all do it. So, when a gay person "knocks" Christians and such, chances are they aren't really trying to knock ALL Christians, or even Christianity in general, but just the particularly bigotted groups and individuals that often oppose them.

And as for civil unions, it sounds good if you don't research it, but if you do you realize that there are over 100 rights that marriage grants that civil unions do NOT grant, and that civil unions are easily challenged through lawsuits. It's not equal rights, and that's what we want. That's why a lot of us aren't going for it.

Last but not least, the side that's against gays? Most times it really is completely against gays, it just uses cautious language to try to cushion it. Let me give you a parallel example. Someone comes up to you and says, "I'm not against blacks, I'm just concerned that if they're allowed to marry, soon blacks and whites will be able to marry, and that will corrupt the races." Today most people would think that was a racist argument, because of the implications. That argument would have been common place before civil rights (African Americans did not always have the right to marry, even after slavery was abolished), and a lot of people who were neutral on the subject would have taken it as face value that the person wasn't really "against" blacks. But the whole reasoning behind the argument was a racist one. Gays and lesbians recieve the same kind of arguments against their marriage today. I'm not so convinced these people aren't really out to deny me equality.

Answer 3

I see all those that are against gay marriage as attackers against the gay community for these reasons:

1st> Civil unions are NOT the same thing as marriage because its just like separate but equal. We know in history that it is inherently inequal.

2nd> If asked the question "Are you married?", if you are in a civil union, you have to answer No or Lie. I think we need to get away from that if we are to progress as a people.

3rd> The religious argument is plain wrong because marriage is not religious, its a government sanctioned thing. Government has a duty to treat people equally.

Answer 4

Maybe when you as a straight person have to be weary about people denying you service, having to pretend your not straight, to avoid certain people , have words that describe you used by non straights as insults for everthing AND have to fight tooth and nail for equal rightsand socail standing. You can then complain. As a straight man whens the last time you were sat in a bar and had to pretend you were gay, or risk socail stigma or bieng beaten up?

Fact is most this biggotry behavior listed above is defended by Christians in the media. They also try to make it so non straights can't afford equal legal rights and protections. Up to the point a straight man can fire a employee or landlord make homelss all on the grounds of religous belief.

We as a people are strong, but can you blame us for being cautios, particallry when the big offending groups are not silenced by the rest of the Christian community? To answer your question, Some of the community (myself) included are cautios ans stand up... bucause the majority of heterosexaul Christians are a cultural majority have forged us to be like this. Instead of complaining to us, change the attitudes and behaviors of your group, including silencing your figure heads.

Answer 5

Ok, so you're asking why "the gay community" makes broad generalizations. Do I need to spell it out for you?

I do think that when it's not your rights that are in jeapordy, your voice doesn't count as much. It's REALLY easy for a straight person to tell us how we should go about trying to get our rights. And it's even easier for that same person to urge a compromise.
Also, we've "ignored it and moved on" for centuries. Then, people stopped. Stonewall and other such incidents happened. And you know what? If you don't push back, no one's going to take you seriously and no one's going to randomly DECIDE to give you rights.

That having been said, I'm no fan of christian bashing, and I do try to intercede when I see people partaking. Most often, people are only thinking of the loud minority of asshats, and aren't actually referring to all christians. One sometimes needs reminding about what language to use.

Answer 6

Everybody knocks everybody all the time, especially here.
This is a bashfest compared to real life.
Your question could easily be transferred to Conservatives, Jews, any group. It's not only gays who react instead of respond, but you are correct about the possible backlashes.
Whatever. I can't control anything but my side of the street.
...and if the world oppresses me, I'm gonna strike back fiercely.

Answer 7

I would echo most of what "devouring wind" has said except for one thing:

There are over ONE THOUSAND -- 1,138 to be exact -- benefits and obligations that Breeders currently have access to through civil marriage.

I'm for "Civil Unions", "Domestic Partnerships", "Marriage" ... call it what you will as long as I have

EQUAL
ACCESS
TO
BENEFITS
THROUGH A
CIVIL MARRIAGE.

All 1,138 of them.

EDIT: I have read numerous Answers from the Querent and find it amusing that he suggests a gentler, kinder Gay community when in fact the Querent has often hurled vitriolic epithets at the GLBT participants on a regular basis. Odd, no?

Answer 8

Hey.

I'm sorry... did you say to just ignore the jokes, attacks and everything else negative that people throw at us? I'd pay good money to see you endure what I have to go through every single day. I'm sure there are others that would do the same. Our lifestyle is not a picnic. We put up with too much. We're a strong group of people. But telling us to ignore it? that's gone way too far. I'm sorry if you didn't mean any insult through it, but you have NO right to say that to ANY of us. EVER. So, you can throw around your opinions all you want, but please do not insult me.. or us that way.

Nathan

Answer 9

anyone who says something ignorant like "anyone who's a true Christian knows there's no such thing as being gay"....is simply someone who uses the Bible to justify their closed-minded hatred. do you even KNOW anyone gay? I have plenty of gay/lesbian friends are Christian and attend church regularly. Many churches in my area are very diverse and have a large gay congregation. many of them even come to our Pridefest here and St. Louis and open their arms to us and even march in the parade to show their support.
the "perverts" are those you stand behind religion and pass judgment on others. judge not lest ye be judged!
hate is neither a family value NOR is it a Christian value!

Answer 10

im not religious and i couldnt really give a sh*t whether someone is christian or not. i have my own personal views on it but do not constantly feel the need to harrass or discriminate against them, like many of the christians do to homosexuals.

so wat if someone is gay? its none of anyones business. and if being gay means we are going to hell, then so be it. im gonna have a good time while im alive and not live a lie. i am a lesbian and there is no way im going to force myself to be with a man coz to me it is not natural for me to be like that.
plus it is not fair on the guy.

thanks