Serious question for white teens who emulate blacks.....?

Question

Why? Why would you want to seem that way? Let's face it, without casting any aspersions on blacks in general, the typical "wigger" persona is not an appealing character type. It's actually pretty gross. It certainly won't help you get a job or any respect from society at large. I can understand blacks emulating whites because assimilation can get you ahead in a society, but not the other way around. What do you get out of it? Does offending your parents and others somehow empower you in your mind? Do you have a low self esteem? Is it just a fad to attempt to shock? I'm 40 and when I was a teen-- we never saw such a thing. No one wanted to be associated with black attributes. If there were one or two odd balls, everyone thought something was mentally wrong with them. Give me a clue on this because I can't imagine for the life of me.

Roxton P

You seem to have some issues here, but the question remains. The phenomenon of which I speak DOES exist-- I simply what to know why. It seems to me pretending it DOESN'T exist demonstrates a much greater example of "racial ignorance".

A crime for black teens to emulate whites? What?

Anny--sweety-- grown ups are talking here-- run along and play if you can't handle a civilize question without getting your little panties all bunched up. I'm 40 for crying out loud-- not circa civil war.

AndyH

I think you're missing my point. The black personas and traits that are being emulated by the teens I'm talking about are not those of doctors and lawyer. There are PLENTY of outstanding blacks in society, but these teens are specifically cherry-picking black THUG traits. You really think some white kid out there thinks he's simulating a black doctor? Please.

You'll be hard pressed to convince me that my bias is causing me to focus only on kid who emulate black thugs and that they're only an insignificant subset of the whole. The phenomenon exists-- it's a whole feakin' genre--

http://www.wiggaz.com/

http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/Welcome-To-Wigger-World.html


How many names are there for kids who dress and act like Tony Soprano? Check the wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger



Do your own search-- you may be shocked. Then, ask yourself if it's my "bias" that's causing me to make this up or your hypersensitivity that's blinding you to it.

I see you're trying hard to NOT see my point. NO-- I do not think it's okay for kids to emulate any thugs, but at least it's less of a stretch when it's a thug of ones own color. And though you may pretend the color of a black thug is incidental, it is very much part of the identity and the persona-- rightfully of wrongfully. Call it biased if you want-- fine-- yes, it is not only hard for me to imagine why a kid would want to be a thug, it is hard to imagine why they would want to be black! It's weird! I certainly didn't know any white kids who wanted to be black. I'm sorry you find that racist, though I'm sure if I were black and said "I can't understand why a black would would want to be white" you'd pat me on the back and say you're glad I'm proud of myself.


I know how it irks you guilty white bleeding hearts-- but I will continue to speak the truth in the face of political correctness and hyper-sensitivity.

cinamonbunnie01

I don't give a damn that you *think* I'm a racist because frankly-- I doubt you know the meaning of the word and I KNOW you don't know me. But I do take offense that you publicly insinuating I'm a racist based on some alleged" post you saw elsewhere. Next time I suggest you have the decency to be specific or post a link to what you're talking about so that I have the opportunity to refute your slanderous, politically correct BS. Next time I report you-- and I don't just mean by clicking the abuse link.

I posted to alleged "threatening" email to the ranting candy0813/cinamonbunnie01 above for all to see. Is it any surprise that someone who so quickly plays the race card also uses such hyperbole?

Answer 1

I'm not a teen, but I'll venture a guess that perhaps many teenagers are not as racially biased as you are, perhaps they see "black attributes" that they would like to emulate in some of the athletes, performers, singers, doctors and lawyers that you dismiss so easily. Why not ask why kids today emulate "Mafiosi" or car thieves, as they do in some of the popular video games? Why do you automatically associate race with figures that are undesirable?

I'm even older than you are, and in my day there were plenty of black heroes and figures to look up to and emulate; there still are today. My first real childhood hero was Jackie Robinson and I've had many heroes, including many black ones, since then. If kids today, black or white, have black figures they wish to emulate, why should that surprise anyone?

Edited to add:

No, I'm not missing your point at all - ask yourself why kids emulate gangstas, mafiosi, car thieves, etc. Characterizing them by race is an indication of your own particular attitude toward this question. Pick up "Grand Theft Auto" or any one of a hundred popular video games and you'll find that (big surprise coming here....) criminals and anti-heroes are very popular with young men who want to be "bad a$$". SOME of these figures are black and SOME of them are caucasian or Asian or Latino or whatever. Back in my day there was never any shortage of theoretically "savage" "Indians" when we played "Cowboys and Indians", and there were plenty who wanted to role-play or emulate Dillinger or Clyde Barrow or Al Capone. There are plenty of kids emulating "bad a$$" figures of other racial origins - from Tony Soprano to WWF "Rasslers" to ninjas. Why do you jump to the conclusion that the "bad a$$ wannabes" are only emulating the black dudes? As I said, I think this may be partially due to your own biases, whether you recognize it or not.

As someone else has said, kids have historically tried to emulate anti-authoritarian anti-heroes as a means of rebellion and protest, and to prove their own toughness. They seek out figures that are emblematic of this machismo, non-conformity and toughness. This generation is no different. That SOME of those anti-heroes emulated by white teens are black seems to me, if anything, an improvement in the level of prejudice and stereotyping these days.

If anything, that's racial progress IMHO.

Edited to add again:

And your point is? Kids emulate a lot of "bad a$$" figures, from Tony Soprano's "crew", to bikers, to 'rasslers, to rap and gangsta figures. I have no doubt that "wigga" is a common phenomenon and a common term, as I said above it's one of many popular "looks" among adolescent boys. Take a look at any of the "Grand Theft Auto" games (one of the most popular among teenaged boys) and you'll see enough stereotype role models to fill the county jail - with every race, creed and color. One of the popular role models in my part of the world is a sort of "bad a$$ redneck" role model - a Duke of Hazard with a rapsheet. At the local teen hangouts I can find as many or more kids wearing confederate flag gear and t-shirts carrying various violent and angry slogans as I can find "wiggas". One of the most popular designs at the local tattoo parlor and fake tattoo emporium is "prisoner tears". Why would anyone want to look like they've spent jail time? Welcome to the world of angry teen boys. So what?

As far back as I can remember there were always a certain number of kids who tried to show their adolescent toughness by dressing like some anti-authority, angry, often-violent figure. There always will be.

Is the only difference you see that one of the most popular of all bad a$$ stereotypes is a black one? Are you really saying it's okay for rebellious kids to emulate the white "bad guy" figures but not the black ones? What really is the difference between the "wigga" phenomenon and any of the other ones, other than the color of the skin of the antihero role model?

I'm sorry, but I can't help seeing that your question might be rooted in your inherent bias. You didn't ask why kids emulated gangstas or violent rappers, you asked why they emulated "blacks". If you'd asked the question "Why do some of you emulate the dress and demeanor of bad guy figures like gangstas, car thieves, and prisoners?" or even "Why do some of you emulate black gangstas?" I'd be more interested in the answers. But I think you gave away your own prejudice by the way you wrote the question.

Just my opinion, and you now know why I hold it.\

And once again added:

So you can see why white teens would want to imitate thugs, but not "black" thugs? I think you've answered your own question.

If those seeking to emulate "thugs" should only emulate thugs of their own race, then it follows that caucasians should only emulate admirable white folks and blacks only emulate black folks? In my first response I pointed out that there were many black folks worthy of emulation by others, regardless of race, and that people emulated anti-heroes regardless of race. I have always admired and emulated Jackie Robinson, for a variety of reasons, am I a "race traitor" to do so since I'm white?

You're certainly titled to the "stick to your own skin color" views you profess, but call them what they are - racial bias against blacks. You seem to be the one hiding behind political correctness. Of course this gives additional insight into why this whole issue upsets you enough to post about it, whatever you call it. Hey, biased and prejudiced people come in every color; it's just that some of them are big enough to admit their own prejudice.

And again...

Well your opinion is, of course, your opinion, so it can't be denied as your personal "truth". But the inherent bias of not thinking that a person could adopt a role model of a different race, whether a positive or negative one, seems obvious to me.

As I said, I think the fact that kids today can adopt role models of another race is a healthy thing for our society - even if some of the role models are negative. It's at least a bit closer to thinking of people as individuals instead of simply classifying by skin color. Certainly there are many black or Asian or latino Americans around who find caucasian people to emulate, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that either, despite your smug assurance that you "know" what I'd have to say about that.

Every time you write, you dig deeper into your own biases. That's fine, but you at least ought to be honest and truthful enough to recognize them. If your "truth" includes any honest analysis you would certainly be forced to agree.

Answer 2

Andy H gave the PERFECT ANSWER! I can't really add anything more to it, except for the fact that obviously you are a undercover racist, and I'm only saying this because of another question that you answered today that led me to this one. You are 40yrs old, and it is probably to late for you to change. Even if these teens emulate the negative qualities of blacks, it's usually only temporary until they get a little bit older. If it is not temporary, then it is something else going on maybe at home or in the mind of the individual. Trends are fine, but I don't know of anyone who would want to keep any race 'negative qualities" once they are mature, grown, and no longer living at home with mother. Again, I pray that if you have kids that you did not raise them to be a racist. Either way, I will pray for you, and I suggest that you do the same.

Answer 3

Would it be a crime for black teens to emulate with Whites also? I am surprised at the level of Racial ignorance displayed here; wake up folks, we are now in the 20th century. The world will be a fantastic place when people of ever race, creed and religion embrace each other as part of the Human race.

Answer 4

I don't think you're a racist. It's true. I can say this because i am black. But the 'wiggers' you speak of are a stereotype. Not all black are like that. And blacks don't necesarily have to emulate whites to get higher in society. They just need to start acting like respectable people and not '*******'. (excuse my language) But next time , try not to make your question sound so racial, because it (as you can see) is causing major probs with others. : )

Answer 5

If you listened to rock and roll music or jazz as a teen, you are guilty of the same thing. Get over it. America is a melting pot. Do you eat tacos or pizza? Don't you think someone could view that as you emulating certain ethnicities? As for assimilation into society, if you look at the numbers, whites are rapidly becoming the minority. I suggest you assimilate yourself.

Answer 6

you are an old yob and i think you should start thinking in the new modern way, this is another century not the one you lived you old racist. and by the way,what white ways should blacks emulate? be serial killers?? well there are good deeds too that blacks do that you dont seem to see. no one is perfect, so what whites did in slavery shld be emulated by other races so that we look civilised?? you are too dumb, and you talk like a big baby, grow up and get a life.!!

Answer 7

Every generation has it. Bell bottoms, long hair, rock music... before that country music, dancing, not wearing a hat in public... it's just a way of setting yourself apart from your elders. We all did it.

Answer 8

ya it may sound stupid to be a "wigger" but then is it stupid if an African American used proper English instead of slang?maybe thats how some were raised......i really dont know

Answer 9

Heh, we're in the 21st century, previous poster.....