why are conservatives always changing history to fit there lies?

Question

they make comments such as fdr didnt get us out of a depression, clinton had a bad economy and recession, democrats did not lead fight for civil rights, jfk wasnt a good president , regan was a good president, there are wmds found, saddam and bin laden had a connection, etc. are they revisionists or just ignorant.

Answer 1

...because they are not really conserviative, they just follow the part line, talking points and all.

Answer 2

Okay here we go again.....not really a question but a statement.

To rebut...

It is true that I do not believe that FDR got us out of the economic depression of the 1930s. If anything his economic policies lengthen it. Economics aside, I imagine that the population got the sense that he cared and wanted to help, which is good (in a touchy-feely sort of way). However, it started the precedence of government manipulating the economy. The US Constitution gives no such mandate to government.

Actually, I think that Clinton had a good economy, although not due to his policies. He enacted the greatest tax increase in US history during his term which always dampens economic activity. And as you know, economic activity is what is taxed. So by encouraging economic activity through tax cuts, ala Reagan, more taxes are collected.

Yes I do believe that Ronald Reagan was a good president, and I also believe that JFK was a good president. Most true fiscal conservatives would agree. JFK enacted one of the largest tax cuts in US history. As with Reagan and Bush-43, revenues to the government increased.

Regarding Civil Rights, two notable Democrats voted against it, Al Gore Sr. and the venerable Robert Byrd. Robert Byrd even attempted a filibuster, back when a filibuster required actual 'debate' (instead of the current 'virtual debate').

And finally, yes, WMDs were found and will continue to be found. The link between Saddam's Iraq government and Al Qaeda existed. Perhaps a better question would be 'Why don't you see the connection?'.

I do not believe that I am a revisionist or particularly ignorant. I also do not believe that I am unbiased unlike your question, or more appropriately, rant.

Answer 3

Why is it that conservatives get blamed for this when the liberals are the true revisionists of history?

FDR didn't get us out of the Great Depression, it was World War II that caused the economic expansion and lifted our nation out of its financial woes. He just happened to be President at the time that this happened and, so, he gets all of the credit. Unfortunately, many of his economic programs have had long-term consequences that are now creating a drain on our system today.

Clinton did nothing to help the economy. When Bush (41) went back on his promise and raised taxes, he sent the growing Reagan economy into a dive. Clinton, not a full month in office, raised taxes again, increasing the decline, and then he just coasted along. When Bush (43) took office, the recession had already begun, the stock market was down and unemployment was on the rise...this was due to the actions of Bush (41) AND Clinton. Fortunately, Bush (43) had learned from the Reagan administration and moved to cut taxes, unfortunately, he has also increased government which has increased the spending. He has just been fortunate that due to the growing economy, his deficit spending is still very low.

Democrats voted regularly against civil rights. Senator Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, hardly an organization for the advancement of civil rights. As Attorney General under JFk, Bobby Kennedy monitored phone conversations and activities of civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jr. These just scratch the surface in describing the anti-civil rights activities by the Democrats. They are now praised for being the protectors of civil rights, yet their policies have caused many in the minority community to be helpless and thoroughly dependent on government.

I will have to disagree on the JFK statement. Overall, JFK was a good president. In fact, he has more in common with the Conservative Republicans today than the Democratic party to which he belonged. Granted, his morals were quite loose, but his policies, overall, were sound.

Reagan was a great President and a great leader for the conservative movement. His vision and determination led us out of the debaucle that Jimmy Carter had put us in financially and diplomatically. He created a long-term economic growth, gave us national security AND caused the collapse of the Soviet Union (leading to the elimination of the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall). If Bush (41) and Clinton had not raised taxes, we would still be enjoying the economic growth created by Reagan in the 80's.

A report was released last week that had been drafted 2 or 3 years ago, stating that troops in Iraq had found something like 500 containers of serin and mustard gasses. This was not released to the press at the time of the report; however, it does show that Saddam was still in possession of the WMDs that he was supposed to have destroyed after the Gulf War in 1991.

While there is no evidence that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 plot, there is evidence that he had connections with Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin-Laden before AND after the event. Phone records, finances and known meetings show that there was a link, but to what extent and who was directing who is not known.

Answer 4

FDR DIDN'T get us out of a depression. WW2 did. Every other nation went through the same problem in the early 30's with the bank collapses. The rest of them recovered within a few years, naturally. But FDR meddled with the economy, and the US remained deeply mired in depression for many years. This is a fact.

We didn't say Clinton had a bad economy, but he did leave Bush a recession, which started in 2000. But Clinton had inherited a booming economy from Bush41, so was lucky. This also is fact.

I don't recall anybody saying Democrats did not lead the fight for civil rights, but at least we recognize the truth that it was Democrats who gave us the Confederacy, the KKK, segregation and Jim Crow laws, and Democrats like Senator Al Gore, Sr. who voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I disagree with some claims that JFK was a bad president, but Reagan WAS a good president.

WMDs existed - this is well documented. So are Saddam's connections to al-Qaeda. This is the truth. Nobody is making this up. Why are you so fervently against facts?

Answer 5

"fdr didnt get us out of a depression" True. The country was still in the tank at the beginning of FDR's second term. It was the advent of WW II and the wartime effort that did ended the depression.

"clinton had a bad economy and recession" True. The economy started to tank at the end of the "Internet Bubble" in 2000, before 43 took office.

"democrats did not lead fight for civil rights" Partly true. It was Johnson and BaAuH2O (Barry M. Goldwater) who lead the fight for civil rights. Most of the opposition came from southern Democrats such as Lester Maddox and George Wallace.

"jfk wasnt a good president" Partly true. Bay of Pigs was his lowest point. He's the one who started to send vast numbers of soldiers to Viet Nam without a plan for victory. Unfortunately he wasn't around long enough to have some of his other programs come to fruition.

regan was a good president. False. He was a cabinet officer (treasury I think). Either that or you are referring to King Lear's middle daughter. As far as I know she wasn't president either.

there are wmds found. True. A number of old shells with bio-weapons were found. These were violations of the UN cease-fire agreement.

Saddam and bin laden had a connection. True. While S didn't have a direct role in the 9/11 attack, there were high level "diplomatic" contacts between Iraq and BL during the 90's and up to the second gulf war (which is just an extention of the first one).

Answer 6

I'm no conservative republican...

FDR did not end the Great Depression, WWII did.
Clinton had the BEST economy under his watch.

The Republican Party was founded to combat the "Slave Powers" and it is the party that freed the slaves, Democrats get the black vote because of our historical views in large part.

JFK was not president long enough to be good or bad. Regarding civil rights, Johnson passed more legislation than any other president, He was a good man.

Reagan was a good president for America as a nation on the world scene, but bad for some people, like us black folk.

Bin Laden and Saddam are connected by faulty intel.

Answer 7

Please, I could say the same thing for Liberals. As a conservative, I freely admit that the democrats did lead the fight for civil rights, in some cases to their detriment. JFK is a questionable subject, I personally don't believe he did much except to get America embroiled in a conflict of France's creation. Yes, Reagan was an excellent president, and if you remember correctly, regardless of views, he was admired, respected, and, dare I say, liked by both parties.
Give me a break. Read, read, read. Democrats are just as (if not more so), guilty of revisionist acts as Conservatives. Ignorance is lack of study and knowledge. I suggest you do a little more study, and ask your questions from a rational point of view as opposed as to a visceral view.

Answer 8

Clearly the writer of the Question is a not a conservative. It is so easy to attack the opposition, and throughout history this has been the way of Politics. As for re-writing history;

Throughout history "Man" has written the official record from the side of Victory. The truth & History are seldom sympatico.

In order to understand history, you must understand struth. Reading is always a good way to get the truth. Try " Deriliction of Duty" as a starting point if you wish to see what Democrats did to the American history base.

Answer 9

Maybe because we aren't dogs like Dimocrats. Some of us actually have morals! I've got a question for you, Why were JFK and Bill Clinton dogs that were both having extramarital affairs? Why didn't Clinton do jacks**t when he was in the office? Atleast our prez has the balls to stand up for our country!! The only thing Clinton did was kiss Europes ***!!

Answer 10

well, because we actually pay attention to history.

1st, FDR did get us out of a depression, but to say he created jobs is not accurate, as the jobless rate after FDR was the same as before the crash under Hoover. FDR returned people to work, but there was not a growth in jobs as compared before the crash. BTW, Ronnie was a big FDR fan.

2nd, The last 18 months of the Clinton presidency were marked by losses in trade, less take home pay for workers, signifigant drops in production levels, and economic stagnation in the tech industry. He still had a good run of 86 months, economically speaking. The market performed better under Clinton, but the economy has performed better under Bush Jr. It is unfortunate that people often confuse the market with the economy.

3rd, Democrats did not lead the civil rights fights in the 60's. The civil rights fights were led by the Republicans. Northern Democrats followed the lead of Republicans and broke from their southern "dixiecrats" in the march, but the leadership on the legislative level came from the Republicans. Just look at the voting by party in the 60's civil rights legislation for your evidence.

4th, JFK was a good and bad president in that he has good and bad moments. Good with the Cuban Missle Crisis and with Berlin....and bad with the Bay of Pigs and by sending our troops to Vietnam. He is beloved simply because of his vigor and youth, and that is where the "Camelot" facade of the media came from. Kennedy was a great leader, and that means that he makes mistakes. But at least he made decisions, and I will always respect him for that.

5th, I do not see how you coulod have lived in the 80's and believe today that Ronnie was a bad president. He brought down the Berlin wall, and reversed the failed policy of containment. NATO wanted containment, and Ronnie recognized the inevitable failure of containment as relative to the collective will of NATO. Thusly, he led. Thatcher, the Pope, and other leaders followed. Iceland was a "disaster" in the minds of liberals, yet it is precisely how he behaved in Iceland that brought the Soviet macihne to its knees. Before Ronnie, global communism was on the march. After Ronnie, it was a slightly warm corpse. To not recognize Communism as the greatest threat to the human conditiion in the last 50 years is to ignore reality and history collectively.

WMD's, in the chemical and biological sense, were and continue to be uncovered. That is fact.

Saddam and Bin Laden had a connection. There is no solid connection linking Saddam to 9/11, or its logistics, but Al Queda had a presence in Iraq before 9/11. Internal Iraqi documents prove this, as do the testominials of captured members of Al Queda. The misrepresentation is that Bush said that Saddam was linked to 9/11 via Al Queda. The administration never made such a claim.

The basic claim is that Saddam has terrorist connections, which he does in Al Queda, Palestine, Hamas, and other organizations. He persues a WMD program, which he did and himself admitted to it seveal times as a point of record. It is logical to assume that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and that Iraq and terrorists would cooperate. WMDs given to terrorists is a realistic scenarion, and we preemptivly acted to save American lives. 9/11 shows the danger of hesitiation in the face of aggression.

I know I will not win the best answer, as I fear you seek to preach to the converted rather than actually engage in reasoned discourse.

I do apologize for any spelling errors, as spell check failed.

Answer 11

TELL me about it.

Total revisionists.
I was impersonated last week by one.If they were realists they wouldn't pull cowardly crap like that.They public has gotten to the point that all they stand for is breaking the middle class,wacky religious fantacism,busting unions,and invading countries unrealated to 9/11.They MUST go the psychadellic route the Communists went in the 1960s.And oh yeah,if you say a word about it,you need to "look to Europe for approval" Again,wacky.

I wish these nationalists would stop scewing my country.