I have 2 stallions 1 gr8 other bites and chases people he is 1 year old. Please help with advice.?

Question

Understand that young horse will require training, but will this solve the immediate issue, as I have 2 young girls now frightened by this behaviour

Answer 1

Just like a dog, you have to jump on this bad behavior quick! Teach him"No!" and teach him this quick. He's too big to be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Start training him to lead and be handled every day, the girls may need to carry a riding crop to show him whos boss. They don't need to actually hit him, just waving it at him should do the trick. My gelding used to nip me! OUCH! I used to pinch his lip when he did it. Boy, he didn't like that and soon stopped. Good luck.

Answer 2

You've seen a lot of advise here. I have 2-cents for this too. I do agree, if you are not going to use this colt for breeding, geld him. We don't need any more back-yard stallions.

Second, you need to get this horse to "join-up". This is a training process where you will become the 'alpha mare' of your 'herd'. I know a lot of people think the 'stallion' runs the herds, but that just isn't true, it's one mare and buddy, she runs the show. It's best if you have a round pen for this. It's far too involved for me to explain it here. What I'm going to give you is the website for trainer Monty Roberts, a fabulous man who is a true horse 'whisperer'. He has worked with horses literally all around the globe, every problem, he's even been the 'last hope' for many horses. His formula works, and it works very fast.

www.montyroberts.com

Good luck and be safe.

Answer 3

Agreeing pretty much with everyone, gelding's the first thing to get done, and in the meantime, don't let your girls near him, children and stallions and young colts in particular is NOT a good mix. Yeah he needs discipline, and to learn that he is NOT the boss, Monty Roberts join up has worked with some tricky customers I've had, one of which was a big baby colt, built like a tank - join up helped him turn into the horse I always knew he could be

(qualified riding instructor and horse trainer)

Answer 4

First gelding will not solve it - the only difference is you'll have an aggressive dangerous gelding instead of an aggressive dangerous stallion. Both can kill.

Keep the girls away from him...young kids are not experienced enough to deal with issues. he is hitting dominance issues. He is pushing boundaries and saying he is going to be boss and thus far you've allowed him to do so. (If you hadn't it would not be an issue to post.)
Is he in a stall, small paddock, pasture? Get him in a small, solid enclosure. Read on horse behavior. And be ready to be "mean" in order to make it better.

If he were to charge aggressively at a dominant horse they would kick back HARD; they'd bite, perhaps removing skin and leaving open wounds. The dominant horse WOULD NOT TOLERATE and would not run.
In your mind set a whole new set of rules - he will not push you at feeding time. He will not raise his head, nose in the air (usually done BEFORE charging). He will not chase you or kick or bite. That stops today.

If you have a roundpen so much the better. Learn to read body language. Get yourself a whip - a long lash whip for an open area like a roundpen or paddock...a little shorter for inside. It needs to be longer than his legs - you need to be able to reach him and stay out of range of getting kicked because he will and he will win if he gets you. The idea it gets worse before it gets better is true. Keep the girls away. Wherever he is - stall or paddock - walk into it and LEAVE YOURSELF AN ESCAPE ROUTE BEHIND YOU. NEVER NEVER NEVER let an aggressive horse between you and your escape. The *moment* he raises his head higher than yours, pins his ears at you or anything horse aggressive you are going to become the dominant horse. One smack timed right and HIT HARD followed by - as soon as he "gets it" hit the wall or something that is a threat without necessarily hitting *him*. You're intimidating him...briefly. When he submits...backs off, lowers head, tucks tail - you stop. Stand there without threatening until he threatens you - then repeat. If he wants to lower his head and come up nicely let him....PRAISE HIM. Rub his head, give him "good boy"s. But tolerate no foolishness from him...he gets aggressive do it again. In a roundpen situation same principles but when you drive him away make him work. Keep him on the rail and YOU DIRECT where he goes. With the roundpen as a clock - when he's at 3 oclock you walk towards 6 and MAKE him reverse. If he doesn't swing the whip at him...make it clear in action that you will not tolerate him in your space without permission. Each time you make him reverse you get a notch more respect. When he behaves and is nice he gets treated well...if he wants to be a jerk he gets to WORK. If it takes getting him hot and sweaty for a while then that's what it takes.

The things to stop - if they've happened -
NO HAND FEEDING - treats, bites of feed, grass etc
Keep the kids away from him until he's solid again. This is not a harmless game to him...when it turns serious it will be too late for them to get away. They cannot outrun him and are not big and experienced enough to intimidate him.
Demand manners. He is not allowed to nibble. Or lick. He is not allowed to turn his rump to you or kick. He is not allowed to approach you with his head higher than his withers...the lower it is the more submission he's giving you.

You don't want to beat him...but in the heat of things make yourself as big and scary and the nastiest horse you've ever seen in movies. Leave no doubt YOU ARE THE DOMINANT ONE. Horses are action creatures...your body position and what you take from him tells him where he stands to be in the herd. It needs to be dealt with NOW. Too many people are hurt or killed from yearlings going into 2 year old because they've never taught them where they stand.

Answer 5

I would take him to his pediatrician. From there, the pediatrician can recommend an early intervention(speech) therapist. These services are free in most towns, so you have nothing to loose by checking into it. Why wait? Not talking at 2 1/2 doesn't mean that there is anythig wrong. My daughter was still calling me dada (I'm the mom) when she was over two, and she is 11 and fine.

Answer 6

The best long term solution is you learn how to train horses before you have them especially stallions. The fact that you even have to ask the question says you are not qualified to own this horse. However, that happens, and in the meantime, you have the opportunity to learn.

First, the young girls should be frightened, and so should you. Gelding the horse will have a large impact, but since he's learned it he will continue in spite of gelding. I have a horse that was a stallion and had chased down someone, grabbed them and dragged them off around a pasture..... twice! He was gelded by them, but it did not cease the behavior. They had tried the hit him hard once method and it made it worse.

A horse that is aggressive and feels threatened, will come back even harder! The smart and confident ones don't get intimidated, they get faster and better aim with their bites. So, you have to outsmart them.

There are two primary occassions for rectifying the behavior and training a positive behavior. Horses don't learn by telling them no. They learn by telling them what you DO WANT them to do and making it easy for them as well as by making the undesirable things really difficult. You need to do this with the halter on and with the horse loose.

If you can halter him, do this lesson first. If not, do the next lesson first.

With a halter on, hold the lead line while you stand on the opposite side of a strong fence. Start to shake the rope lightly and say "back", gradually shake it more vigorously and just continue until he takes even the slightest step backwards. Immediately cease the shaking and tell him "good boy". Repeat several times until you see he is backing with less pressure from the rope, or even if he gets the vocal command. Do this a couple of times a day for several days before trying it without a fence between you. Just know that no horse can charge or bite if its backing up. So that in the future if he gets playful or studdy and starts to act up, you can tell him what you want him to do instead of that. Not only will it create space between you and the horse, but he'll actually start getting in a habit of backing off of you when he feels like being silly.

Second lesson: When you go into his pasture, take with you a large very stiff stick (lots of natural horseman trainers sell these and they are great) As a circus trainer I've always used my own stiff poles, usually bamboo wrapped with duct tape. But, I've also needed a very very long tool before and used a broom handle without a broom on the end, with a towel rapped around one end and a long lash of bailing twine taped to the other. When I go in with a horse like this (and this is common as I use mostly stallions in my performances and some come to me as rescues with serious issues) I keep a clear route of escape and I don't make direct eye contact with the horses. If they leave me alone, I just leave them alone. If they come up quiet and nice, I stay relaxed, but I do ask that they stop a certain distance away.... 20'+ for a new and dangerous horse, or closer 6-15' depending on how quick or aggressive they are. Once they get as close as I will allow, I swing the end of my stick back and forth in front of me not too strongly, but obvious and say "whoa". If they stop, I stop swinging the stick. If they continue to walk up, I swing it a little firmer and let them run into it. Don't look at the horse directly and don't TRY to hit him. YOu don't want a fight. You want him to run into it/you... he'll think its you. He'll be thinking "wow, I didn't know she coudl reach that far!". Sometimes I've had to let a horse run into a stick that was swining HARD and heard it make a large whopp on their knees or chest. But, they get the idea.

The trick is to let the horse run into it, and as soon as he is polite the stick is quiet. Quickly reduce the size of your stick and eventually just go to having a rope you can throw or twirl his way if he forgets for a moment or just gets so wound up (and he's young, that will hapen). You want the horse to know its YOU that is enforcing the rules, not the stick. The stick is just an extension of you.

Answer 7

First of all gelding him may help. second u hav to gain domnance
if he knos ur scared he will take control. if u have a round pen lunge him. then wen hes tired train him. he will be less likely to resist because he is tired. if he still keeps biting litely hit him in the chest with the lead rope. not hard cause that would be beating him but litely enuf that he feels it but it doesnt hurta lot. if it stil proceeds i would consider selling him. i wouldn't sell him in an auction be cause he could go to meat. spread the word. sumtimes word of mouth is the best advertisement. but dont ly tell the poteintal buyers he has a problem that you couldn't figre out. if they dont buy him u may end up getting advice.

Answer 8

GELD HIM. UNless you plan to use him for breeding, and by your question, I suspect you are not experineced enough for this. GELD BOTH and it will help, but as with any young colt, aggression is natural. This means you have to put him in his place. Do NOT allow biting and when he rushes you, have a longe whip (buggy whip will do) in hand. Smack his chest good! Or his butt or legs - don;t strike his head or he willget head shy. But do not let him bully you! Geld him ASAP if you plan to keep him, but if you and the girls are inexperienced, I'd sell the young ones and buy safe, sane, well-trained horses. If not,. someone is going to get hurt!!!!

Answer 9

He needs to be gelded. You sure don't want him to breed this trait into and foals. Geld or send him on down the highway....

Answer 10

Geld him, that'll calm him down a bunch.