If you can Insult a Religion, then a 'Belief' is never safe and the Right to Defend it is Sacrosanct. Yes?

Question

I cannot see how a 'Belief,' an Idea or a Theory which are (however strongly held) are anything but concepts which and can be insulted..!

Can you insult Love....?

Can you insult hunger....?

[ I'm about to go insult an Idea for a while, obviously making sure I wear body armour as I go about this. ]

If a God or a Belief can be insulted, then the theory of a God-like entity goes out of the window.

To me, this implies that a God has an ego, and to my understanding, (a) God is above this.

Religion is something like cars, guns or bread knives, they fulfil a need that some of us have. But, like guns, cars and bread knives, it is how we use them, what we do with them, how we behave, that gives a religion a Bad. In our religious or moral behaviour is found the bad names of Religion ...echoed by one or two historical events over the millennium.

Answer 1

Organized religion is the biggest monster of a mess that the human species has ever shakled itself to. For a single person to "believe" something isn't usually a problem. Everyone has a "belief system" in some fashion or another. It's a tool for adaptation to culture and society- answering "Where do I come from? Where do I belong?" But that's as far as it should go.

But ORGANIZED religions, especially those that believe they must "convert" (otherwise known as recruitment). These "world religions" are the EXACT definition of evil on the planet as a whole. (And I only believe in ethics myself.) These aren't satisfied to have they're own beliefs. They must conquer all other belief systems and kill or re-educate their followers. They are murderers for their version of god- nothing more, and sadly, nothing less. Not satisfied to simply be free to believe what they want, these mobs feel they must force you into doing so as well- 'cause god says so. They don't even have the humanity to take responsibility for their own actions. Somehow these cowards always find a way to say: "God makes me kill you!"

So after that, do we really insult God? Not at all. We insult people who think they know God or the ways of God. They take insult when someone implies that they may be wrong about their beliefs. Because being wrong might mean they have no right to angrily and violently attack others beliefs- this is an affront to their feelings of self-righteousness.

It's one thing to feel offended or insulted. It's quite another to feel the shame of truly being exposed for what you or your beliefs have caused. They escalate the offense because you are truly only insulting that person and what terrible thing they may have done "in the name of God".

They have only one way to react to being wrong: take it as an offense and start acting violent against the "heretic" (Your no longer just an offender but a heretic). Violence and murder in the face of an affront to their beliefs is the only punishment (dead men tell no tales).

Ask Atahualpa (Peruvian King) or Mochtezuma (Aztec King). Oh that's right, they were murdered by "Christian" soldiers. If they don't like your response to their beliefs- they'll kill you by the thousands, steal everything (for god of course) and destroy your "heathen" culture.

They're just God's psychotics. But I guess you know that.

Answer 2

To address your first comment, as an athiest I believe that civil rights take priority over religion. The right to defend a religion should never impact those rights. If it does, then that religion is having a negative impact on society and quality of life.

I understand that deists (such as Christians and Muslims) believe that their beliefs take priority over secular causes -- god is bigger than the government, etc. And I agree that, if there is a god, that should be the case.

Religion, however, is another matter. Religion is simply a "wrapper" for true spirituality; a facilitator, if you will.

To return to your point about defending a religion, I believe that people have a right to worship without fear of persecution. I also believe that people have a right to freedom of speech; no-one should be afraid to speak out against the church (or state).

So you need to clarify what you think of as "defence", and the way that people deal with insults in general; they are just words (physical threats can be handled through the existing legal channels). You can speak your mind against a verbal or written attack, but descending to physical violence is not warranted. Many organised religions will, in fact, suggest this in their scriptures.

Answer 3

Sure ... you can insult God, Islam, Christianity, intelligence as much as you like, so long as someone for whom those concepts are dear is not around to hear you. An insult implies a suggestion that a person is wrong or stupid or unworthy in some way - in particular in the beliefs he holds or the way he reasons. It is a belittling of values which he holds and a denial of the right to be an individual. What is insulted is always a person or group of people and to speak of something as 'an insult to God' is shorthand for 'an insult to those for whom God holds some value'. God Himself is never insulted - can never be insulted - because He is never offended. Taking offence, protecting our pride in ourselves is an entirely human trait and 'pride' is regarded a a sin, in other words, something which is not in God's nature.

Answer 4

Religion is no more relevant than football clubs or musical bands or whatever floats your boat. A person who chooses to follow such past times has every right to do so, however, no belief or sociological adaption has a right to use violence to defend a belief in any thing. If I choose to follow man utd, I have no right to hate you because you are a Liverpool supporter. If you are a catholic, I have no right to hate you because I am devout Muslim. Every one must have the freedom to follow whatever belief they desire without fear of violence either verbal or physical.

Answer 5

i'd die for them. i am going to quite admit whiles i do not condone the 9/11 attacks, those Muslims taught me some thing. They taught me that its better to face and die for some thing than to sit down down and stay for no longer some thing. Their are thanks to a lot of human beings in this international that do no longer some thing. Hell it truly is how Bush were given in workplace. God Bless

Answer 6

quite. i ilke the way that you spun that last comment.
it's said that god created us in his own image, so therefore anything you do is something that god could have done in your position.

but clarify your first question for me please. it's worded very strangely. - 'which * and can be' <* missing 'are'?>

Answer 7

Religon and faith are not the same.