Lets have a nice and civil discussion on this. It's going to make you mad though.?

Question

Why is it that extreme christians call abortions murder and the doctors that perform them murderers?
Okay lets back up here. God said he knew you before you were going to be born right? God also knows how your life is going to begin and end because he sees everything. He also assigns your soul to your body and breaths the breath of life into you.
Now lets get to the question. Who is the murderer now? Man that took you from the womb. Or God for putting you in there in the first place knowing you were going to die.
Like I said it's going to make some people mad but I want honest, CIVIL, thoughts.

This was a question I posed to my free thinking class on religion. I've received a lot of interesting answers and while no one answer is wrong I couldn't give everyone an A(just like on here not everyone answered the question). It's more of a faith verses man topic. I appreciate all the input and if I could would give everyone 10 points.

Answer 1

the question. Who is the murderer now? Man that took you from the womb. Or God for putting you in there in the first place knowing you were going to die.

OK, If you were there for God to put you there. Then there has been no death, only transition. If it was God's will that it would occur that you be returned so soon. Then it was the fate of the man who returned you to do so.
Now we have the question of fate vs free will
Is it free will that the extremist shot the Dr. or fate?

Answer 2

This is a very complex question. It involves the question of the existence of one (G)od, when is a foetus a life, is a woman's body hers to do with what she wants, when is an abortion necessary, etc.

I believe that what is called (G)od is the spiritial (not relegious) totality of all life. In that context I do not believe that this totality has much control over the universe in terms of minute issues. So I do not believe that the child was placed in the womb by an entity. I believe that each individual has many paths to travel in life and that every choice we make changes the path and the outcome. Each path has a definite beginning and end. The combination of paths is ruled by randomness, perhaps chaos, like the lack of a perfect pattern of falling water or the wind. This gives each of us control of our own destiny and I don't think that we as individuals or society should dictate what a person does with their own existence as long as they do not cause anyone any harm.

This brings up the next part of the question. When is a foetus a person? I believe that a foetus is not a person until it is out of the womb. It is my opinion the a foetus is not viable until it is seperated from the mother's body at birth. Until then, it is the mother's decision what to do with her body including the foetus since it is still part of her body.

So, to answer the question in the context of my beliefs. Abortion is not murder. God is not a single entity. A child is placed in a womb by the natural force of existence.

To answer the question within the context given in the question. It would be God's purpose for the abortion to take place. Some believe that God is no all powerful and evil forces - the (D)evil - caused all evil things to happen. In this case it would be the devil that is the cause of the abortion and thus be the murderer.

So, for God to place the foetus in the womb in the first place would make God the murderer. This is not necessarily sacrelegious since many people have been killed purposely by God. God can be wrathful. So , in the context of many beliefs, it should be God who is blamed for the "murder" of a foetus.

Answer 3

the murderer is the man that kills not God. because man was created in the image of God we must respect every human being, most especially the innocent unborn child. Christians call abortion murder because it is. it is taking the life of an innocent human being for absolutely no good reason. most of the time women have abortions for the most selfish reasons without taking into consideration the life inside of them.....the miracle inside of them.
there is always a better option and there is always a person willing to help.
i wish i had more time to explain further but this is all i can give.

Answer 4

Although You Have A Very Valid Arguement
You Are Going To Have A Real Hard Time Selling It
Not To Me
To All The Pro-Lifers

Answer 5

Thank you for the honest, thoughtful question.

If I may, I'd like first to address a comment by origchick. She stated, "i don't think anything is really wrong with abortion either (except when people use it as a form of contraception doing it over and over again)." My question to her is, if there is nothing wrong with abortion, why is it not acceptable as a form of "contraception"? (It can't really be defined as contraception anyway, as contraception means to prevent fertilization, whereas abortion does away with an already existing embryo.) If there is nothing wrong with abortion, why is it not acceptable to do it repeatedly? Please don't take this as a personal attack; it's not meant that way at all. Just an honest challenge to your statement.

Okay, now to get to your questions.

1) Many Christians (extreme or otherwise) consider it murder because they believe that life, however rudimentary, begins at conception. And they believe that all human life is sacred.

2) They call the doctors who practice abortion murderers for the very reason that they define abortion as murder. The hand that purposefully takes innocent human life without provocation is necessarily defined as a murderer.

3) Yes, God's Word states that He knew us before we were born. (Psalm 131).

4) Yes, God is omniscient (all-knowing). He sees infinitely in all directions. His viewpoint of "time" is not what ours is. We are linear; He is beyond that. He sees our "beginning" and our "end" before it ever happens.

5) Yes, God is the Creator of all life.

By the way, I love that you constructed your question so logically. Each element of the question is predicated upon a supposition that you've clearly stated. Nice. : ) However, it's your supposition that because God sees everything, He necessarily *causes* everything, is where your argument breaks down.

Let me demonstrate what I mean by setting up a scenario and then asking a question. A man walks into a bank with a loaded gun and robs the place. The bank security guard begins to chase the man out the door, but as the robber runs out to the get-away car, he stumbles over a transient sitting on the sidewalk. He falls, the gun goes off and shoots a woman who had been walking towards him. She dies, leaving two children without a mother. God is omniscient, yes? Long before the woman was born, He saw that the woman would die by a gunshot wound from the hand of a robber, yes? Who is responsible for her death? The guard because he chased the robber who was feeling so panicked by pursuit that he wasn't watching where he was going? Was it the transient for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, thereby tripping the robber, which made the gun go off? Or was it the robber for having carried a loaded gun into a bank that he robbed? Or was it God because He saw it all happen before it actually did? I think any rational person would conclude that the robber is at fault because he was the one who possessed the loaded gun.

God does not cause man to sin; we do that on our own. We choose to do the bad things we do. We have free will. We must take responsibility for our own actions and not blame them on circumstance or someone else's choices. WE choose our own behavior, therefore WE choose our consequences. God may know that we will do so, and He allows us to do them....even though our actions grieve Him so.

Now back to your question. It will be answered by people in very different ways depending on their viewpoint of God...depending on their faith...depending on their beliefs about conception and what constitutes "life." Personally, I believe that God does not intend for any to be taken from the womb before it can live and thrive outside of it. He is not a murderer for having put any baby in the womb knowing it's life would be taken. I do believe that life begins at conception. I believe that abortion is a tragedy, both for the developing human life and for the mother that once carried it. But as a Christian, my job is not to judge but to love as Christ loved. My fantasy is that abortion would be abolished forever...but I know it will never be. And so I love those women and young ladies who have exercised their legal right to abort. And I hope that, in so doing, Christ's love will help them to make different choices in the future...ones that will keep them from ever getting into a position of needing abortion in the first place.

I will never use the words "murder" and "murderer." If I did, I would be calling at least 3 of my friends murderers, for they've all had abortions. But I do consider that human life has been killed. It's not a judgment; it's just a reality. I grieve with the women, and I grieve for the babies.

Thanks again for the thoughtful question. I appreciate civil discussion on tough topics.

Answer 6

First you have to assume that there is a "God". Then you must assume that this "God"spends her time watching everything we do.This raises the question on weather She gave us free will or not.If we don't have free will then she is the murderer.
If we have free will then we must ask the question on weather any" killing" is wrong not just abortion.
On the other hand abortion could just be another way of sending the life form back to its creator.

Answer 7

well i think god doesn't exist and i don't think anything is really wrong with abortion either (except when people use it as a form of contraception doing it over and over again). but i like your point and I can tell you that you're in for a lot of preaching and "oh god has a plan for all of us" crap. they don't have any REAL answers. they just sit around and judge everyone.

Answer 8

This is a real tuff question.in these world everything has two faces.whats one feel good may not not be what the other feel so.its actually what the majority or more probably what the stongest feels is accepted we like it or not.

Answer 9

The answer is very simple really... God gave us a way to make choices in the things we do, he gave us a mind..... Yes he put that life there... But it was the Mother and Drs choice that killed it....their choice killed the life..... God didn't kill the baby... He gave it life..... Once they made the choice to kill it and did.. That precious life became Gods again and forever will be. People with their obedience can lengthen their days or shorten them by being disobedient.



Deuteronomy 30
KJV


Deuteronomy 30
1And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

7And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

8And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

9And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
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10If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
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11For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
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18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
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19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.