How can God not exist in time if we experience it? How can it be created in a timeless environment?

Question

I figured consciencousness can only be derived from a being which created us from a part of itself who was always present (hence not existing in time). It seems to make sense I guess, I mean, why would there be an evolutionary mechanism to experience one's own consciencousness, to acknowledge one's own existence? Why not just be like robots and not have an understanding of experience or feeling and just follow the laws of science (not to say everything is governed by science, I do not believe in chance, I believe everything happens for a reason). How can one explain why we experience time, emotion, and desire? What is the purpose of experiencing time if the being who created it exists without it? How can a timeless environment exist while time does as well? Is there any logic to this? Does this lead any closer to the truth? Any resources? I am very interested, thank you.

Answer 1

We, as humans, need time to advance and to learn. The reality is that time is the illusion. Think about it. Our species is the only one that is not only self aware, but also aware of time. So have faith that you know nothing, believe there is a supreme being, and have confidence that you will figure things out when you really need to.

Answer 2

I'm no expert, nor am I a genius...but I am intrigued by your ponderings.


A timeless environment might be able to coexist with a timed environment in a way similar to liquids and solids being able to coexist. Solids and liquids can occupy different regions of space: existing side by side.
This is stretching my metaphor, but, perhaps timed and timeless space/reality are like liquids and solids, made of the same thing, but in different 'states'.


It may be an accident of fate that we only experience time in one direction. Even if there is a god that created us, it does not necessarily follow that god made no mistakes in the process.

Alternatively, we might be players in a meta-universal level experiment to find out what universes end up like if time perception only operates in one direction.

Or, there may be a multitude of universes, all having random characteristics...and we just happen to be in one that has time.


Hopefully, the human race, or a race of beings that follows us (silicon based?) can find the answer to these questions.

And, if we're really lucky, these future thinkers will find out how to step outside of time constraints, and allow us to live again, to look at all of this from the outside.

hmmm?



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Spruce E:
I have noticed that there is some research on the timing of conscious awareness of decision making relative to the timing of the actual decison making, that suggests that freewill is an illusion of the mind.
The research seems to indicate that the decision has already been made, frequently, before the conscious mind becomes aware of the decision....and that the consciousness lies to itself, and claims to have been the one to have made the decision and ordered it to be carried out (though it was really the last to know).
There is some recent counter-evidence, but the issue it not yet settled, to my knowledge.

Answer 3

This question may be unanswerable this side of "heaven," because it hearkens to the very reason why we exist at all - a fundamental question ever without an answer. To me, the mystery is not that we exist (for we COULD only exist as thoughts/images in the mind of God), but that within the given (perhaps pre-determined) existence, somehow we seem to have volition and free will - to me, that is the miracle, not existence itself. I struggle with this question deeply as well. Sorry, just an opinion and surmisings, no sources...except thought itself...keep going.

Answer 4

Buried everywhere in your premise is the presumption that consciousness, emotion, desire, reasoning, etc. are somehow superior to instinct, chemical processes, etc. So if you think that way, then you will naturally elevate them and assume that they are somehow unnatural and created for a purpose.

However, if you meticulously study animal behavior, chemical functions, etc., you will quickly realize that there is no quantum leap but rather a gradual continuum.