How did 4 British Muslims hate their society so much they decided to become suicide bombers? What can we do?

Question

There's lots of banter and gossip on this site which is all good fun, but perhaps we can maybe address a real issue that effects all of us for once and try to come up with real answers. How did those 4 members of British society decide to take their own life and as many others as they could with them one year ago today. How could they decide to cause missery and suffering to all the families that were grieving for all to see again today.

Perhaps more importantly how can we engage with the Muslim community in all countries to ensure that these awful events such as 9/11 and 7/7 don't ever happen again and that Muslims can live in peace and harmony with the rest of society, without the fear of persecution and descrimination.

This is the last question I ask today, perhaps we can stop all the gossip and all the silly answers for a bit and try and come up with some answers in this unique and wonderful forum that democracy and freedom has provided us with. We owe it to the victims of 7/7.

Answer 1

It took Christianity 1700 years, many of those filled with attrocities and wars of conquest, to realize that freedom of worship was important and that its best if the church does not control the state or vice-versa.

Islam is what, 1100-1200 years old. What was the Christian church doing in 1100-1200 AD? The brutal Spanish Inquisition occurred in the 1400s. I think it's highly possible that we are witnessing an Islamic dark age similar to what Christianity went through, only now we have global TV coverage and sophisticated explosives and weaponry, so it's even more terrifying.

The real question is, "Will they grow up before they trigger the annihilation of mankind?"

Answer 2

first of all my heartfelt condolences to the victims families of 9/11 and 7/7. I like millions of other decent human beings felt, and still feel sad for what happened.Regarding your question of how we in the democratic world can engage and live peacefully with the muslims all over the world is a question which to answer,we have to look back at the Middle East.In my opinion UNTIL the middle East situation Between Israel and the Palestinians is addressed,we will not have peace anywhere in the world between the Muslims and the wider world as a whole.We have, in my opinion forced what WE think are the rules by which everyone should live by.( We can disguise it in whatever way we want but the fact is that the muslims are a different people, have a different culture and ideologies)The sad fact is that the Americans CAN stop the violence in the Middle East but they have their own agenda.We in Britain have been sucked in a war that we had no right to enter into.The sooner the Israeils are made to understand that they are on their own the sooner this bloodshed will stop. You have to go back to history to understand the problems of the middle East.The people in the Gaza strip ARE refugees. That is the simple fact. They were made refugees when the State of Israel was created.
We have to find a way to genuinely recompense those Palestinians.Then and ONLY then will this bloodshed end.
The muslim world sees Completely double standards as far as the state of Israel and the Palestinians are concerned.When an Israeli is killed the world mourns that death.,But when tens of palestinians are killed there is not even a mention anywhere.The Palestinians live in extreme poverty. The kind of poverty that we in the west have absolutely no concept of.The Muslim world sees their brothers and sisters being murdered without any recourse to justice and the Israeli Government bullying legitimately ellected Palestinians.These are the playgrounds of the future terrorists (as we call them) and freedom fighters as the muslim world sees them.It is the ordinary human being in Israel,in the Gaza Strip and the wider world that is paying the ultimate price because of some stupid Prime ministers,and some stupid Presidents that do not have the interests of other human beings but are worried about their own political seats.Thats the long and the short of it.Finally I have to say this that I feel sad when any human beings lose their lives,be they Israelis or Palestinians or anyone else for that matter.I am neither a muslim or a christian. I have given my answer without predujice or bias but as how I see things.

Answer 3

Incitement through religion.

It isn't really the Muslim community it's the "handlers" that need checked, the people who radicalise the initiates. In the Philipines Muslim fanatics would bind thenselves with leather, take drugs, and run into a Christian settlement trying to kill as many as possible with a machete, again, the guy expected to die in that case too, the bindings used to slow blood loss and keep organs in. We even get the word assassin from this, the common drug used being hashish "Hassassin". Obviously at some point well in the past this was advocated and employed.

These people hate western authorities so much that they kill people for their "war" The Wolf always goes after the sheep not the shepard, because if the shepard see's it coming he'll kill it dead.

Also, in places all over the world people experience this violence everyday, but it's so common it's just factored into their lives.

For example 100,000 civilians died in bombings by Coalition forces....yes, they lived in the country, but they were non-combatants and doesn't that number just dwarf everything else we hear about...

If you think of those people as the enemy, or more to the point, you're not really bothered, then voila, you get why there's so much hatred going around, because we all hate each other for the losses inflicted, and the very fact that some are concidered acceptable kind of inflames things.

...So, what can we do? Wait for the era to change. Us in general?..just be aware.....what the intelligence guy's and girls do is look for the handlers, because they seem to start everything off.....

Answer 4

I believe most people on earth have a belief that drives them. Some are religious, some are personal, but they believe in them enough to give their lives for that belief. When they are preparing to do their destruction to other people and also to themselves, they don't take into consideration what will be going on in another years time. As they are preparing for the event they believe what they are doing is right and can't easily be influenced to change their mind. Their whole world revolves around their belief and what they are doing. They block out all other things in their life that could adversely affect their belief.
As a society, I'm not sure there is anything we can do to change these attitudes. All we can do is hold onto our own beliefs and attitudes. I do believe the Bible is the one true book that we can read and learn from...the words are still relevant today, if it is properly interpreted. If we would live our lives according to the Bible there would be fewer problems for all mankind. There is always an opportunity for each of us to be forgiven for the sins that we commit daily and look forward to a salvation in the end as this world disappears. What else do we have to look forward to? What else can we believe? There sometimes seem to be more questions unanswered and not many answered. All people have different questions and different answers, which is why they answer their own questions with different responses, like taking their own lives. I choose to have a positive life and lifestyle during my time here on this earth that I have learned from my studies and love of the Bible. I couldn't kill another person, as is the teaching in the Bible. I could help other people more though, and maybe make this a better place to live.
I do think I can make a difference in other peoples lives, at least the ones that I come in contact with in my living space. I can forget about the bad and try and do the good for other people. If I can convince those people to live the same kind of lifestyle, then maybe we can start to build a better world to live in...kind of like building blocks working for a much larger end result...a better and kinder world.

Answer 5

Hi,I am a muslim, my parents came to the uk, about 30 years ago,they embraced the country and the society here, i along with my siblings was born here.

I am British through and through, I could go back too india/pakistan for a "holiday" and that is the only connection I have there. these suicide bombers said they were doing it for their so called "brothers". they were so blind that they did not see that it wasn't the taliban or the saddam followers that were their "brothers", but it was those men who are in the british armed forces that are their brothers!!!!

They live here, and yet they chose to bite off the hand that feeds them, I honestly believe if ANYONE does not like the way things are done in this country, they should leave!!!

The first generation that came to the UK did not have these issues, yet back then there was more racism than ever, this was because it was a big change for the british people, but now, these young individuals who call themselves muslims have just got a chip on their shoulders are an embarrassment to the rest of us all!!!

Answer 6

I can't imagine why someone would think it was a good idea to blow themselves up and take as many innocent civilians as possible with them, but it shows how little their parents cared about raising them to be a good, respectful citizen - these parents should lose their property, assets and British citizenship. Perhaps if these men had that to consider they might have thought twice about doing it.

Hearing that 1 in 7 British Muslims condones these bombings doesn't exactly endear them to me or the rest of the British public.

I wouldn't want anyone to be persecuted on account of their race or religion, but you can't go round murdering civilians or condoning such actions just because you don't approve of the government's foreign policies. These bombers weren't in the least bit interested in whether their victims had actually voted for Blair and company, they were just worthless, evil, selfish pigs.

That these men had so little regard for the rest of the commuters that day suggests that they didn't really feel British, or have British friends - they weren't integrated. So perhaps something needs to be done to ensure British Muslims do socialise with and go to school with non-Muslims. It needs both to agree, having Muslim ghettos where you never see a white face is bound to be a breeding ground for recruitment by religious fanatics.

Answer 7

Suicide bombing started in Palestine. The country that isnt a country since USUKetc decided to divide it up and put a bunch of Israelis who despised the people already living there. So these Palestinians decided to start doing that since they had no other choices.
When refering to British Mulsims please it is the Pakistanis that are involved in such. Not bangladeshis or lebanese or west african muslims. This whole thing in England is a Pakistani thing. Those that became suicide bombers were from families that refused to integrate as such. They dont want to integrate but cant go back to Pakistan bcs they are illiterate and wouldnt have a pot to piss in over there. So they are in effect Nobodys - a bit like the somalians. Who come here refuse to integrate hate the British, sell drugs form gangs and despise the UK.

The suicide bombers were employed so its not like they couldnt get jobs they lived in their community so they isolated themselves. These people confuse culture with religion hence joining such organizations. In effect they have no culture - like the somalians religion is their culture and they cling on tight to it bcs they have no identity.

If the UK gets out of Iraq then im sure a lot of crap will stop. They had no business going in there in the first place - especially as they fund Palestines basic needs through the european council but allow the Palestinians to remain powerless and needy to the Israelis.

Answer 8

Education would be a good start, the Muslim population in the middle east rely too much on the koran for their beliefs. If they knew more about the world perhaps they would understand more about life. As for the bombers over here it's almost certain that they were influenced by some mad zealot who belong in our midst. It's best to round these up and deport them, let's be honest they want a muslim state so let's give them one..a one way ticket to Iran, where they can rant and rave as much as they like. The Christian voice has been too silent for my liking it's about time our religeous leaders started talking about Christian values rather than appeasing muslims all the time, they should be attacking islam for what it is, a dangerous and violent religion that has no decent values.

Answer 9

Cultures/groups of people leave their countries in pursuit of something better for themselves and their children. Then find themselves in a society that eventually conflicts with their religious/moral beliefs. Their situations are still better in this new country than their own and they have more freedom. In some cases it's the children of future generations that find flaws with the current country's society/climate. They seem to reach back to the very thing their parents/ancestors wanted freedom from -- such a contradiction. Did their parents forget to pass on to why they or their ancestors left in the first place or did something get lost in translation? I migrated to the USA with my mother at a young age. And I see that both my brother and sister lack the knowledge of why our mother left her homeland. Who's fault is that -- it's our fault for not educating them.

When young minds become discontent with society, they easily fall for some for heretical bull that a lot these groups put out. It isn't just the Muslim community. There are people out there who recruit and brainwash children to join the Skinheads, Ayrian Nations, as well as other groups teaching hate against women, race & religion.

Answer 10

Beyond keeping our eyes and ears open I don't know what else we can do. Especially when we have some home grown terrorists of our own. Remember Oklahoma City? It's not just Muslims. In America we have the militias that could do some of the things we have seen in other countries. Radical members of any group are not going to be interested in a dialog. Their beliefs are so entrenched that talking isn't going to change their minds. The majority of Muslims do want to live in peace with the rest of society. So, I pray and keep my eyes and ears open. The next attack could happen anywhere. None of us are immune.