Queens ruining it for gays?

Question

It is very noticeable that most gays want to live normal lives within the community. But male "queens" seem to want to go back and make all the primordal mistakes. Having gay dolls, smutty pictures, campaigning for sex in the toilet etc. They also seem to be very childish.

I have known gays all my life and have many gay friends. The majority of gays seem to cringe at the antics of the queens. Certainly my gay friends seem deeply embarassed by them and say so openly amongst themselves.

Worse in many ways is that whilst homosexuality has become acceptible in most of society the queens seem to exclude lesbians entirely. This is blatant sexual descrimination!!!!!!!

Don't you think these people are likely to do a lot of damage to the gay movement? How can they be persuaded to become more tolerant of people with other feelings such as lesbians, normal gays and hetrosexuals.

Come on guys I asked a serious question here. Hetrosexuals have been through the damage caused by smut and the rest.

I was with the Aussies (as a hetrosexual) in the 60s in support of gay rights. CAMP came from the campain. Campain Against Moral Persecution.

This is about a small number who appear to be doing damage to the gay community.
Do you really want to see it all go backwards?

Today gays are being laughed at over the first gay divorce only months after the marriage. OK it was going to happen and it will blow over. What the small number of Queens seem to be doing appears to be against the interests of the gay community and likely to provoke a backlash that could do lasting harm.

Cast aside your prejudices and look at the question again.

Answer 1

I think it's retarded to accept anyone and everyone's behaviors. Pedophiles are my go-to issue to support this idea. I refuse to accept a pedophile's lifestyle, and any sane person would feel the same way. In this respect, there IS a moral code to our lives. The question is where to draw the line. I don't think you, the asker, are doing anything wrong by asking that people NOT sexually discriminate when they're screaming not to be discriminated against. There ARE issues that need to be addressed in the gay community, and I commend you for being unafraid to address them. It's a shame that the homosexuals reading your question refuse to see its validity simply because you're straight.
Every group, regardless of its cause, has the loud-mouthed people who get more press coverage but actually represent the minority of that said group. The queens who hate on lesbians and fight for sex in the toilet are like the Christians who say we never landed on the moon. They're wrong, and they need to be brought back to reality.

Answer 2

This is really a loaded subject.
My best friends daughter is gay. Her mother was shocked and
was not going to accept her as a gay person. When we talked about it - she finally realized - her daughter will always be her
daughter - no matter what.
What I am trying to say is this: Every gay, lesbian, trans-gender,
-vestite or gender-bender (lol), is some ones son or daughter.
We should not make a distinction just by there sexual preference. Let the "Queens" be drama queens - they know
their are overdoing it and the more we fret about the more they
act out their little drama. Just like children - if you pay to much attention to their antics the more they keep going.
David, please don't get so upset over the discrimination factor.
My son was not welcome by some of the guest at a birthday party for a 2 year old boy, because he was not of the right religion.
When my sons birthday present was unwrapped every child at that party wanted to play with the wooden horse and buggy.
Including the ones that were of the right religion. So the moral to my story is this. Educate the children before they learn discrimination from their parents.
Yes, this is simplifying it a lot - there is more to this whole subject.
But we have to start somewhere.
There are sexual perversions that should never be tolerated (Pedophiles etc.) anywhere in the world.

Answer 3

To each his own. They do not define who I am.
While I am not in the closet, I'm not exactly a banner-waver (or even a parade participant - I HATE parades).

Sure, people base their opinions of all homosexuals on the screeching, lisping twinky queens that are seen on any news broadcast covering a "gay day" or whatever, but it's not who I am.

Not every gay man knows how to dress, much less arrange flowers. I think that's important for heterosexuals to know. Along with a few other things like, we ride motorcycles, work on cars, there are some uuuugly MFs that are gay (not every one is a pretty boy) and that we're definitely not even remotely sexually interested in most heterosexual guys. Sure, we can appreciate, or even secretly lust after a straight dude we might see on the street, but that doesn't mean we're gonna run up and start humping the hell out of him.

Each of us is an invidividual - much in the same was that EVERYONE is an individual. Some are freaky. Some are creepy. Some are sexy. Some are 'butch'. Some are flaming.


In spite of all this, I must admit that I cringe when I see the news covering a gay event and their interviewing the GAYEST, QUEENIEST flaming thing on earth. It just makes me want to crawl into the fetal position and wish it away. I say that because that person on the screen is how the rest of the world perceives all homosexuals to be. Which is ridiculous, because when you see people getting arrested, looting, or being obnoxious, they don't represent their entire race. It's just one individual.

Still, sometimes we (as a collective) reinforce our own stereotypes.

Answer 4

You seem to be talking about one thing, but calling it by a name that I usually associate with something completely different. There IS an almost "seperatist" attitude that some people have, and I do get upset when people say that monogamy is "straight" etc. Some of the views suck, but they're still queer brothers and sisters. I don't know too much about some of the other things you're talking about; I haven't really met gay men that "exclude" lesbians deliberately. Some need to understand male privelidge, and some get caught in the trap of just not thinking about lesbians (because greater society is usually happy to ignore lesbians instead of directly threaten them; straight male patriarchy at work).

My answer to your question is that, get this, there are a HELLUVALOT of VERY different views within the queer community. I don't think anyone is necessarily "ruining it" for the rest. I think that an audience that constantly and consistantly fails to recognize the diversity of the community is "ruining it" for us.


For the record, if in this question you're referring to either drag queens or flamboyantly gay men, FAR from ruining things, the movement would never made it as far as it has without them. They STILL allow the rest of us the comfort of hiding in a closet for however long we choose while they're taking the heat of the entire community. People need to remember that when they complain about "femmy guys" and drag queens, and when they only want "straight acting" friends (by which I can only assume they mean men who date and have sex with women).

Answer 5

First and foremost ALL people are individuals and should be treated with respect who who they are and not what group they belong to. With that said, I do understand that the question you are asking is in general. And in general I think queens are hilarious and (not in a derogatory way) are the gay clowns. They dress in a dramatic way, run around making a lot of noise and having fun. People may be embarrassed by them but they are just expressing themselves and isn't that what we as out gay people in a free country do?
In regards to their dislike for lesbians, I never had an issue like that until last weekend when I was trying to walk past a few queens outside a gay club and I said excuse me and one of them said "Let the fish through." That was harsh.

Answer 6

campaigning for sex in the toilet etc. ??? news to me can you show me evidence?

queens seem to exclude lesbians entirely ???? i am a self confessed drama queen with dykes as best mates

Don't you think these people are likely to do a lot of damage to the gay movement ???? more like dont you think people like YOU?



PS IF YOU ARE ''PRO normal GAY'' WHY ANSWER A QUESTION LIKE THIS?......................................

david m
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Do they? Really wierd thinking there. But why do gays want marriage?

Marriage in all religions was to give sanctity to a bond for child bearing couples.

Gays almost by definition seek to be very different to hetrosexuals so why do they not call it a partnership bond or something similar and make it their own rather than seeking to copy hetrosexuals?

Answer 7

As to your question, Gays are a non-issue. Republicans love to chat about non issues while they send $2 trillion to Afghanistand. You do know what happen when we gave Saddam cash and chemicals right?
None of the following is true, the facts are just not there. BTW, Iraq is not vast, it's the size of Texas. Why lie?
Several years before the war the weapons inspectors were finding traces and precursor chemicals and monitoring devices were fitted to some sites in Iraq to stop the movements of them.

A lot of disinformation is trotted out about WMD. For instance there is not and never was 'weapons grade anthrax'. America, Britain and Russia all tried and failled. The spores simply cannot be made small enough to use in an effective aerosol. Hence the people who were effected by anthrax in the attacks were accidentaly infected such as the postal staff.

Chemical weapons are simply a recipe mix of quite commonly used chemicals. If you look in someones kitchen do you accuse them of having a cake if they simply have flour, fat, eggs and sugar? Hardly.

Do not forget either that whilst chemical weapons were not found in the search, they did find shell casings specifically designed and manufactured to deliver chemical weapons. There is also incontroversial evidence that chemical weapons were used in Iraq to kill opponents slaughtering hundreds of men women and children.

Nuclear weapons are harder but bear in mind that the largest part of producung nuclear weapons is the research and manufacture. Iraq was accused of attempting to obtain nuclear weapons not to manufacture. i.e. they were attempting at least to buy the parts to put one together. Nuclear bombs can be made to fit into a small suitcase. Think of the logistics of trying to find such a small item in the vast expanse of Iraq. It must be the equivelant of trying to find that proverbial needle in a million haystacks!

Whilst searching for weapons after the war the US discovered a number of jet fighters completely burried in sand dunes. If you can hide a squadron of aircraft like that, smaller items would be much easier.

Intelligence also suggest that Iraq moved a lot of items into neighbouring countries.

As for oil that question has been answered earlier this week. The US bought nearly all the oil Iraq produced before the war. In going head to head with Sadam they actually reduced that flow. Since the war the US has bought and paid for every drop of oil it gets and has not gained any advantage whatsoever.

Yes Bush and Blaire made some unwise decisions and continue now to try and bluff and bluster they way out of the mess they got into but have you stopped to consider what the possible outcome would have been if they had not gone to war. Remember it is confirmed by independent bodies that Chemical weapons had been used in Iraq.

It was probably only a matter of time before they would have been used in America and other countries.

Answer 8

I have never seen campaigning for sex going on in a bathroom, that is maybe something you may do, and as far as childish, I believe you have to be 21 to get into gay bars. Gay government, Is there one, I have never heard of that. What is a "NORMAL GAY" I don't think you make any sense at all. And you told me I was childish, and kids read this stuff why don't you listen to your own advice, and be careful of what you write on here. Have a nice day, Grandpa.

Answer 9

I get your point - Queens are very vocal and unfortunately they get alot of attention & press. Then people think that ALL gays are like this. Queens have that right. But is is obnoxious - just as obnoxious as macho heteros who brag about their d*cks or conquests - ewwww!

The solution is for more "normal" acting gays to come forward. That way people will see that there is a large variation in what gay means.

Answer 10

I think some of the problem is that queens are the most visible gays, just like very butch lesbians. Since they are the most visible (and therefore the most targeted), they ratchet their antics up a notch above what the rest of us are comfortable with. That said, I'm not terribly fond of them, but what can you do? There's one in every family ;-).