I don't get what you mean? You have to be more specific.....I hear stuff like this all the time and people never seem to give specific answers...I would really like to know what you mean..
2006-07-07 02:50:07
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answer #1
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answered by Anonymous
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Too funny. I love some of the answers. One can always spot a liberal. I think the answer is fairly simple.... By destroying the principles and values our founding father's created they (the liberals) will be able to more easily progress their own agendas and so-called principles. It's actually a pretty smart idea. It may take another 200 years, but if we (conservatives) aren't vigilant against their incremental deconstruction of traditional American values, their plan will prevail and we'll have a country that is probably not what we would have hoped or planned for our children. Keep fighting the good fight!!
Gawaine, if I didn't have a full time job with a family to support I'd rebut your reply line by line. A couple of key points will have to suffice. Firstly, I think you're muddying the definition of Conservative and Liberal. Case in point, Lincoln was a 'conservative' and was the primary driving force behind abolishing slavery. Your argument implies that if you're a 'conservative' then you automatically are against public schools, women's rights, civil rights, etc. Which is completely baseless and without merit. Remove, to the extent you can, all preconceived definitions between liberal and conservative. What logical, reasonable, and critically thinking person would be against those things? Get out of the weeds and elevate your thinking. Clearly you're well read so I know you have the potential to examine arguments and ideas from both perspectives. Best wishes in your discovery. The journey never ends...
2006-07-07 02:49:46
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answered by Brogs 1
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Why are conservatives so intolerant of those whose viewpoints
differ from their own? Why are so many of them conspiracy theorists who think there is a liberal agenda to destroy the country? Also,what would the founding fathers think about locking
people up without putting them on trial or even charging them?
One more thing. The founding fathers were liberals. The conservatives were the ones who were loyal to the King,and if
they had their way there would be no United States.
2006-07-07 02:56:09
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answered by Alion 7
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I think you are seriously mistaken.
Some of our founding fathers were radicals, and would still be radical today: Thomas Paine was too egalitarian for Americans and hated the Bible; Thomas Jefferson (who said that every 20 years the tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants); Sam Adams (a gun runner and smuggler); and the great humanitarian and scientist Ben Franklin. In fact the Declaration of Independence is still a radical declaration.
What have liberals done that is so awful? Let's see, we:
Agitated for free public grammar and high schools;
Got rid of debtor's prison;
Got the chains off the mentally ill;
Abolished slavery;
Gave women the right to vote;
Agitated for the 40 hour week, the 8 hour day, sick time, vacation time and the ending of child labor;
Introduced the minimum wage;
And in a stupid contract with fundamentalist Christians got Prohibition passed.
Oh, and let us not forget the civil rights movement.
Thanks to liberals, you can no longer be arrested for loitering or for having no visible means of support. Thanks to liberals, you are guaranteed a trial by jury, if you do not waive the right. Thanks to liberals, you have the right to say anything you want, short of inciting a riot.
Gee, it doesn't sound like such a bad record to me.
2006-07-07 02:53:17
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answered by Anonymous
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Liberals? You mean Republicans & Liberals. They both are on the same team to destroy this country. Two false paradigms that have influenced society to think that they have the answers to resolving issues going on in this country.
Rupert Murdoch, Republican, throwing a party for Hillary Clinton not so long agol. Why??? Hmmm...
2006-07-07 02:44:29
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answered by dedbroke007 1
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The reason beyond the liberals wanting to destroy all ini the past is one that is not easy to answer. I do not know the answer. I know (as you also know) that the Taliban in Afghanistan started destroying all of the ancient treasures of Afghanistan.. that is, they started destroying centuries old statues, etc. Well, the liberals and the taliban and terrorists are all in the same shoe as I have always said and will continue to say. They are determined to destroy everything from the past. What goes thru their sick mind in making that determination is STILL beyond my comprehension.
2006-07-07 02:44:22
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answered by Anonymous
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Why do you think it's only liberals determined to destroy? I don't see many conservatives fighting for our constitution; in fact, isn't a conservative in office right now while we're under martial law?
2006-07-07 02:42:23
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answered by gg 4
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Simple answer? They're not and they don't.
Please give me examples of how a liberal has destroyed anything created by our founding fathers, and I'll address them individually.
Also, can you provide me examples proving that they were "conservative" by modern terms? Considering each one of them fought for equal representation and threw off a monarchy of the rich, that's pretty liberal.
But, if you want to point to how they only thought rights should be extended to landowners and were able to reconcile their thoughts of liberty and freedom with slave ownership, then you might be onto something.
Lest you think that your talking about a bunch of Christians, here's what Jefferson thought of organized religion:
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119
In regards to passing the Virginia Constitution articles on religion, Jefferson writes:
"Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography
Here's Ben Franklin in a letter to Ezra Stiles:
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think his system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity."
Here's John Adams:
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history."
Here's the exact text from the Treaty of Tripoli (1797), which passed the Senate unanimously and was signed by John Adams.
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared ... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
Here's what Episcopal minister, the Reverend Bird Wilson wrote in 1831 regarding his opinion of the founding fathers and religion:
"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
So, I hope it's not the separation of church and state that you're talking about as if that's some modern concept. In fact, the most "religious" of the first state constitutions was Massachusetts because of its Puritan background. Let's see, what state do Conservatives hate the most these days? Oh, yeah.
So, you tell me what our founding fathers created that liberals destroyed and I'll use things like evidence and facts to refute you.
2006-07-07 03:41:03
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answered by WBrian_28 5
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They're not. They honestly believe that they're defending what our founding fathers created. And some of them are.
2006-07-07 02:44:57
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answered by The_Cricket: Thinking Pink! 7
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Oh good. a new wing-nut.
OK, lets see if you can do it..... no one else has yet. Prove your statements to be true. Give concrete examples... name the people, give the dates, show us the quotes, give your sources.
Otherwise, you're just another bush-bot.
2006-07-07 03:15:32
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answered by BarronVonUnderbeiht 3
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