If there were no Germans, would the world be more or less civilized?

Question

The Germans were the end of the Roman Empire and the beginning of European feudalism. The Norse, Franks, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, and Goths were all German. They conquered France, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Spain, Portugal, and Italy. They created the Reformation, the American and French Revolutions, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq I and Iraq II.

Answer 1

You could make the same argument about England who went around taking over every country they could find at one time.

However your observations are clearly offensive and inflammatory, and hence pretty stupid.

Answer 2

German women and women from Hitler's occupied territories (i.e not German) were raped by the hoards of uneducated, savage Russian soldiers . Yes, it's true, many ,many rapes, gang rapes, robberies, assaults, brutal killings of innocent civilians. The thing was that these soldiers were coming from remote, undeveloped regions of Russia, they often had no education ,no manners, they were simply savages, young men who only operated on instinct and who were encouraged by propaganda and the warrior spirit to seek revenge and destruction. These men, after battles, wanted to get drunk and satisfy their primal urges with women and there were many women to be had and they had them. Of course, not all Russian soldiers were like this, the more educated ones, the officers etc didn't do this or there were fewer instances when someone like that did such a thing . Don't kid yourself, Stalin and the Soviet Army could be worse than Hitler and the SS if they wanted to. There were people in occupied regions who ran along with the Nazi troops from the approaching Russians, they were just as afraid. In the Warsaw Uprising the Russians just gladly sat and watched as the Polish people got slaughtered as they were outnumbered and hoping the Russians would help . How about Katyn? Are you forgetting the Gulags? History is written by victors and they always tend to make the enemy look 100% evil and the victors as just doing their duty . Truth is that ,aside from the genocide and atrocities Hitler ordered and that were carried out mostly by the SS which were a special,separate organization , soldiers of the Wehrmacht, random soldiers, were fighting for the same reasons as American and British soldiers aka cause they were told to/sent to. Let's not make a hero out of every Allied soldier and a demon out of every Axis soldier ,there's no black and white. What the SS and Hitler did was horrible and deserved the harshest of punishments, no one is contesting that but Stalin and his regime were not better, just did a better job at fooling people.

Answer 3

Nordic superiority is just a myth, pretty much depending on the conditions different groups dominate human civilazation. At the begining were middle eastenerns such as mesopotamians, egyptians, phoenisians. Then we got the greeks then Latins(rome). Germans didnt bring an end to Rome their own corruption destroyed the world greatest empires, and the europeans went backwards, and the arabs started to dominate then the asians with the chinese and mongols. Then Latins took over again thanks to the Spanish and Portuguese. Then the english and french, then germany joined. then it was the US and the USSR(they are slavs), and now it just us but we have to watch out for China. Who knows problably the next one on the the pinnacle of human civilizationa are blacks

Answer 4

Another group of people would take their place. Perhaps the Arabs or the Berbers. Maybe the Irish, hmmm could rome had advanced even further, I wish I had a time machine and see. Interesting question, what if Alexander the Great didn't exist would we have mechanized war elephants? Would the Greeks be the terrorists?

Answer 5

You could ask this about any nation, you know. We have a lot to be thankful to the Germans for. Baroque music, and that consummate musician Johann Sebastian Bach, among others; Martin Luther and the princes and other scholars who supported him in the Reformation; an incredibly beautiful literary language, as embodied by Goethe and others; scientific thinking of a high order--we could go on. Even the tragedy of Nazism and the leadership of Hitler sorted us out for a while at least as to what is moral and what is not--made us think through what is worth going to the wall for.

Answer 6

It would be DEFINITELY LESS civilized: There would be no advanced mathematics, no genetics, no music, no greatest poetry and philosophy, etc etc. Germans are a chosen people with a particular destiny to take over from the Greeks and Romans and carry on...

Answer 7

My apologies but it is a ridiculous assumption you make when you state that the Germans 'created' the American and French revolutions, WWI and WWII (which are both really just one longer conflict), Korea??? Vietnam??? and so on.

I think you should check your facts before stating such things.

Answer 8

The Gauls were not germans and were certainly warriors! I think you're generalising a bit here! I'm not german but i really don't think that most germans still find their inspiration in germanic mythology! And if you think about it ... Had it not been for germanic mythology ... We would never have had Wagner and Lohengrin, never mind Pilgrim's Choir for he world cup!

Answer 9

I don't know the answer to your question, but everytime i listen to Wagner, i get the urge to invade Poland.

Answer 10

I think you are crediting them with things they had little to do with in some cases. I really doubt we would see much in our civilized behavior if they didn't exist.

Answer 11

if the bavarian purity law of 1516 isn't the peak of western 'civilisation' than i don't know what is...without it we wouldn't have any fantastic german beer...case closed