Pro-Choice (2006) is it like Pro-Choice (1861)?

Question

I'm always amazed how history repeats itself as we see in the first Pro-Choice movement in the south in the 1950-60's. Slavery/Aboration, same arguments then & now. The speaker of the House said: I personally don't own a slave but I don't EVER want to stop another from his legal CHOICE of owning one. (where have I heard that?) It's their (Pro slave/Pro aboration) view of human life. The Pro-Slave owners believed blacks weren't real people just as the Pro-Aboration crowds believe about a child. The Pro-Slavery wanted western Expansion just as the Pro-Aboration people want expansion of aboration laws. Pro-slavery argued freeing the slaves would be cruel (who would take care of them) even freeeing the slaves would create more crime..where have you heard that before?
Please read the history of slavery (the southern view point) you will be blown away...they make the EXACT same arguments..NOT REAL HUMAN LIFE! The Pro-Slavery & Pro-Aboration
forever linked!
What do you think?

I know some liberals won't like my comparison..it's my view. Please read the history of era..it will blow you away how the slave owners thought EXACTLY as the Pro-aboration people do today. They say the EXACT same things about human life and the VALUE of human life

Beech bum: I think you missed it..thanks anyway

Leister: Bulls EYES!! Well said..you really got it! Great Answer!!!!!!!

olderwiser..you make the same point John Calhun made(D-S.C.)..Nobody would want them or feed them slaves/children..who will take care of the Freed slaves..your point is not valid as every shallow liberal's view

JoefR: I've posted this question before and I've had many African Americans who totally agreed..and thanked me.
The Pro-Slave owners & the Pro-Aborations make the same arugments that's my point...sorry but you can't say nasty things then run from the facts

Answer 1

The common leftist refrain is "If you don't like Abortion, don't have one." That's like saying if you don't like Slavery, don't own one. Or if you don't like murder, don't kill anyone. Well that doesn't change the face that other people might not sure that same sense of right or wrong. For the most part, I think that the government should interfere as little as possible, only in cases in which one's liberty and choice infringes on another's. Thus slavery, which completely eliminates the slave's liberty while giving the master a greater advantage should be prohibited by law. The same with murder, theft, and other crimes. Abortion is murder masquerading as 'choice', a choice which severely infringes upon an unborn baby's liberty in a rather draconian fashion, by killing him/her. I do agree that is quite a large amount of similar rhetoric in the 'pro-choicers' of then and now.

scott j: they're not the same, just strikingly similar in how their proponents defend an immoral practice as a personal choice.

olderandwiser: did you know that people have been condemning homosexuals since the beginning of time? They knew that it was unnatural and did not result in the birth of children. Does that mean that is somehow justified because of its longevity? Your appeal to tradition with regards to 'medicinal abortions' seems to suggest so.

Answer 2

Trust me, no one is Pro-Abortion. No one.

Abortions are terrible things, and they need to be stoped. However, the key is not legislation. If you outlaw abortions, they aren't going to just stop. People are still going to go into back allies and get cheap abortions. We're going to find thousands of newborn children born in hotel rooms, wrapped up in pillowcases, and tossed into dumpsters. Isn't that worse then a safe, healthy medical procedure? Education is the key.

Also, there's this fact-Unlike Slavery, in which they were born, living, breathing people, Abortion is much harder to call. With an unborn child, there are good, valid scientific arguments that they are life, and just as valid arguments that they aren't. There isn't any science behind the claims that Slaves were subhuman.

Basically, it comes down to personal belief. Some people believe life begins at birth, others believe life begins at conception. The fact is, the government has no right to dictate personal belief, and so, Abortions cannot be outlawed.

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Answer 3

It is always amazing to me these blind one sided view of abortion. It's really a funny thing, for when it was illegal it wasn't murder. It was just illegal. And when I see the anti abortionists stepping up to take the foster children out of state care and into their homes: and feeding all of the very hungry people in our own country: and taking care of all the children born in this world that are unwanted--- then they can talk to me about murder. And don't compare apples to oranges. In slavery people were considered chattel, belongings. and I know the history of those times and the 3/5 compromise--do you? When a woman can't feed another mouth, that's her choice. It is between her and her God!! I worked in hospitals in the early 60's and saw the direct result of abortions done then. I would guess that you are young. Too young to know what the world was like in either time frame you talk about. Did you know that the churches taught that life( or the soul) entered the body of a baby at their first breath? Bet not! Do you know that women have been getting abortions since the beginning of time. They knew all the herbs and what worked. And if the anti choice people weren't against birth control and allowed all women in their childbearing years access to contraception or the day after pill we wouldn't need abortions!!

Answer 4

I wouldn't have a problem with your comparison if you had half a brain; therefore, the ability to recognize there is a huge difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice.

Pro-choice does not demean life but rather recognizes that the choice is between the woman and GOD. GOD had nothing to do with the public's choice of making slave ownership legal or not, etc...

Your analogy just makes no sense whatsoever. Slaves compared to a fertilized embryo? Slaves are an independent life and the issue back then was whether or not they were property. A fertilized embryo is an 'dependent' life and clearly is physically part of the woman's body.

Answer 5

SInce you posted the same stamente (not question) twice, here is the same response:

Indianadude, I think that you've been drinking too many slurpies from the 7-11. You're at level 5 brain-freeze again. If we go down that road I gess it is fine for me to say that every right-wing religious fanatic's argument on stem cell research is exactly the same as that of the Vatican when they condemed Galileo Galilei for saying the Earth rotated around the Sun.

Answer 6

professional selection. those are my reasons. a million. If a woman replaced into raped, she should not be forced to hold a toddler for 9 months and later on ought to stay with it, preserving that toddler could reason emotional misery to the lady and her relatives. 2. advance in underground abortions 3. it could be attainable as an selection

Answer 7

Apples and oranges. They both grow on trees. They both produce seeds. They both have a skin. You can make juice out of both of them. They both require sunlight and CO2 and water to grow. They must be the same thing right?

Abortion and slavery have nothing to do with each other.

Answer 8

You ought to write something about this...not here, but on a op-ed page. You have some interesting points. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. :)
PS I'm a Hoosier too!

Answer 9

I HAVE MANY AFRICAN-AMERCAN FRIENDS AND THEY ARE SADDENED BY THE FACT THAT CONSERVATIVES TRY TO CONNECT THE TWO. THERE IS NO CONNECTION, PERIOD. We must distinguish between who is pro-life and who is simply pro-birth. So many conservatives, including George Bush, are pro-birth only. After a child is born, he or she is on his own and can expect little support in life from these "so-called" pro-lifers.

Answer 10

I think that you are really stretching logic in your argument. Like so many rabid anti-abortionists, you only see your own point of view.

No one that I know of is trying to expand abortion laws, but the anti-choice groups keep trying to obliterate them.