A gnat has no more value than a human baby. They are both worth nothing because they have come into being for no ultimate purpose, they are here for no ultimate purpose and they go to no ultimate purpose. The only worth or value is what is subjectively given to either by someone else. There is no such thing as intrinsic worth in a non creator God universe.
2006-06-30 10:50:20 · 24 answers · asked by nobodiesinc 1 in Science & Mathematics ➔ Earth Sciences & Geology
No your logic is wrong because humans become gods in place of the original God. Only they can insure that universe continues, they hold that gnats life in their hands.
But in this universe God gives us the choice to hold the gnat at any value we want.
2006-06-30 11:08:58 · answer #1 · answered by Man 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, it would only be true to an objective observer, of which there are none. Only an observer from outside this framework could be objective, the rest of us are hemmed in to our subjective perspectives.
"The only worth or value is what is subjectively given to either by someone else."
You got that part right, now what's your problem with subjective worth? Your stupid straw man argument doesn't even make sense on casual examination.
No one operates on objective worth, only on a subjective worth.
To a human the human infant will be more valuable than a gnat, to a gnat the human infant will be more valuable than another gnat, the human infant is a whole lot of food to the gnat, the other gnat is just another competitor.
Gnats are solitary, humans are social, we've evolved to be concerned about infants because it serves the 'purpose' of assuring the continued existence of our species.
2006-07-01 06:53:15 · answer #2 · answered by corvis_9 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
NO
This subject, as confusing as it can get, has issues and believes that people are will to kill for.
I'll say this, that there is no beginning of anything, and there is going to be no ending of everything also. The value of being alive and having a body is that there is so much less suffer in life (please bare with me on that issue), as there is after death were the suffering of your mind will increase at the point of some level of awaking at death and the intentes levels that the mind is going threw is remarkably sickening. Imagine or remember that time you were sick, and the suffering didn't stop for a long long time, and you in agony that is way beyond any pleasurable feelings. In a nutshell, the pain is not having the body, and so your awarness is unlimited, and confused. If you not prepared to awaking the mind at the point of death, then you in for a surprise, and there will be nobody to relate this level of pain with, that you once knew.
Yes, I'm saying that the thing that you will always have between life ,and death is the mind. So life does have value, when one has a exception expedience such as mine.
There are gods, but their also beings with a mind also, but their not creators what so ever, and most do not deal with the realms of the physical manifestion, and gods do not stay as gods for long (just like, life and death for them too). Like I said it very complicated, and now others reading this may want to kill me for printing this out, against their beliefs. Ouch.
2006-06-30 18:23:19 · answer #3 · answered by ruggedwarrior_love 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'll probably regret even answering this, but the gauntlet has been thrown, so...
Your logic is somewhat flawed, in that you assume there is or is not "worth" to anything. Only man has assigned a value to anything, insofar as it has worth to us in particular. Thus, a gnat is nothing more than an annoyance to us, but if you look at it from the point of view of a little brown bat or a barn swallow, the gnat has much more value as a source of food than a human. It depends on your point of view.
In terms of "purpose," you run under the assumption that there is one. If there is a Plan, there MUST be a Planner, right? Yet only a belief in an omnipotent being with Grand Design would require that any design exist in the first place. I personally do not believe in one, and I'm perfectly happy and content in my spirituality and beliefs. It's not that I don't believe in higher powers or another plane of being, only that I don't think any organized religion has got it right -- there are far, far too many flaws in thinking for me to accept any of them as they currently exist. Your mistake is assuming that religion and logic work together, but they do not -- if everything had a logical explanation, what purpose would there be to faith?
2006-06-30 18:13:41 · answer #4 · answered by theyuks 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This question should be listed under some kind of philosophy page....
The perspective that you're missing is that the Earth is but one piece of a greater picture.
What if the universe itself - which has created the Earth and the rest of us - has it's own awareness? Not a god itself, at least not in the sense we all understand a god to be, but as it's own entity? Or perhaps even the mother of god (or gods, depending on your world view)?
In that sense, if one single blood cell have an intrinsic value to a person, wouldn't one planet have an intrinsic value to the universe?
2006-06-30 21:20:17 · answer #5 · answered by Cassie 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The only difference between the gnat and the human is that humans have developed a conscious therefore giving us an awareness of our environment, existence, sensations, and thoughts. So it's only natural for us to feel like there must be an ultimate purpose for our being here, hence we believe there is a supernatural being that created us who we must worship or face dire consequences if we don't. Crazy stuff, huh
2006-06-30 17:58:52 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
1st of all, that's the craziest damn thing ever. You don't need god to put worth in your life. If you do, believe in god. If you don't, it doesn't mean you're a heartless, moralless monster that would kill a baby just as fast as a gnat. I think it's disrespectful and ignorant to assume that atheists have no value system! Humans have created values and ethics, we choose what our "purpose" is.
Believe in god if you want to, but don't judge people so quickly. Our purpose is to learn and help each other grow, individually, as a society, as a civilization and in relation to the planet.
2006-06-30 20:16:25 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Just because you cannot cope without attibuting meaning to life, and just because you cannot construct a value system without a deity does not mean that it cannot be done and does not prove there is a god.
If there is a god, then the fact he has cast us adrift as tiny flotsam in an enormous universe, and has left a full 2/3 of the planet in poverty to starve shows more or less how much he values our intrinsic worth.
2006-06-30 18:18:20 · answer #8 · answered by Epidavros 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, that's not logical at all. Why would the intrinsic value of anything be instilled by god? Did God put a price tag on the twinkie at the 7-11, or the guy who runs the place? Don't write crap like this, or you'll have atheists running around swatting babies!
2006-06-30 17:55:37 · answer #9 · answered by Beardog 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
you're looking at this from the wrong end; if a gnat is no more, or less, valuable than a human baby, then all life is valuable.
'Value' is relative to what you want or need. I don't think this is a valid question.
2006-06-30 21:21:24 · answer #10 · answered by jdj_jr 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋