What is existence like without space, time, energy, or matter?

Question

Basically, what is the extrauniveral area (I don't know any other word to describe it) like? If space, time, matter, and energy were created with the birth of the universe, then they do not exist outside the universe. Can our brains even comprehend what that is like? Are there any theories that try to explain this?

It seems impossible that there is no creator.

If our universe was birthed in this nothingness, where time, space, matter, and energy do not exist, then couldn't other universes have been born like that? Without the existence of time, infinite universes should have formed just like ours did. And why have these other universes collided with our own?

Without a deity to create or control this things, it seems nothing could have happened. To me it makes more sense to believe that a deity whom we cannot comprehend, nor do we know how it came into existence, created our universe than to believe that our universe came out of no where and created itself. What do you think?

What is the nothingness like?

And how did something give birth and create itself in the nothingness? I remain firm in the belief of a deity.

The extrauniversal is what is outside of our universe. What is that like? How can something form itself in that?

Answer 1

This answer is in responce to gimpalomg, and all other "athiests." If the universe were static, we could not say it had a beginning, and could have been eternal. However, the fact that the universe is expanding and going to higher and higher entropy, we can "turn back the clock" and determine that it in fact had a beginning. This is not the case with a deity. It CAN be static, everlasting, eternal. It is only that we do not understand the full measure of what "eternal" means. We as finite beings only think in finite terms, even when talking about infinity. We say it is "a really, really big number that goes on forever". But that's just semantics. We really have no conception of eternal and everlasting.

People say we can not prove God exists, therefore he doesn't. What gives us the audacity to think we should be able to prove that? We can only know what he has communicated to us.

Answer 2

Cosmologists study the expanding universe and try to 'reverse engineer' it, extrapolating back in time to guess what it was like before the expansion. That's hard enough. But even if they can take us back to an extremely dense spot of matter/energy, you still wonder where that came from.

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" is a statement about where it all came from, but it says nothing about the "how". It's a reasonable and not uncommon theory that time was created along with the matter and energy. If that's the case, then the eternal nature of God is more than just long-lasting. God as a spirit then transcends time, meaning God existed when there was no time. Thinking about space the same way is even harder.

As you read what the Bible says about God, notice what is and is not said about physical properties. And remember that anthropomorphisms like the "Hand of God" are literary tools to speak of the capacity to do things, rather than physical descriptions.

Finally, imagine that you knew fully the answer to your question. How would you put that into words to enlighten beings which are (at least for a time) locked into a physical/material existence?

Answer 3

I am an atheist and I am not sure I understand your question. So let me give this a try. As I understand this "extrauniveral" stuff was here before the Big Bang. Therefore something had to create it, and for that reason you believe in a deity. Is that pretty much the gist of your position? Assuming your answer is yes, please contemplate the following.

My general knowledge and guarded agreement with the Big Bang Theory are just so much rubbish because someone or thing had to create the extrauniveral stuff. So where did your god come from? And before you say s/he has always been here, tell me why my extrauniveral stuff has to have a beginning and your God doesn't? And for that matter, what is beyond this extrauniveral stuff? Then what holds the that stuff together? This could go on as long as you like.

You have a belief system that I sometimes envy. My wife is born again, whatever that means, and she never seems to worry about anything. She trusts God to take care of it. Based on that concept I plan to change my name to God. Maybe that way I could, at least, get a word of thanks from time to time.

Answer 4

Ummmm, the old "Creator or nothing" syndrome.

"Who Said" there ever was "Nothingness"????????
We may find that our Universe (and Universes beyond) are Infinite (always were and always will be).
Look up "Planck's length" a "Klein Bottle" and open your mind ;-)
A "Klein Bottle" is a 2 dimensional object that we "see" in 3 dimensions but can only exist in 4 dimensions" It was developed by God in his early years as a Magician 8-)

Ask yourself this? If there is a "Deity" (except the one in our minds) What shape does it/her/him/they take? What dimension does it/her/him/they live in, where does it/her/him/they live? etc. etc. etc...... If you answer is "Heaven" or in my "heart" or "soul" or "I don't know" then this Deity is a "Fabrication" of our minds to satisfy our "Souls". This whole problem came about when man first evolved from "Homo whatever" into "Homo Sapiens" (wise man) and recognized "Self" in a reflection and asked "Who made me?" (our "Soul" was born at this moment in time -We became "Aware" and Empathy flowed in our veins-The Human Condition) "Who made us?" The logical answer is "The Stars" in the heavens above. That answer should be self evident. But that answer leaves our "Souls feeling Empty" so it goes...........Religion is born in our minds to fill the "Void" that was born when we became aware of "Self", and we all know how the Universe abhors a "Void" or is that a "Vacuum" LOL 8-)
I can't help but empathize with "Early" men who had no idea that Lightning, Thunder, Earthquakes, (a Solar Eclipse's....YIKES the end of the world!!!), death, or any of the "Natural" processes that impact our daily lives were " Natural occurrences".
Looking back at their lives, it is easy to see how they ascribed it all to the "The Gods". Remember there have been soooo many religions and soooo many Deity’s. How does "Anyone" know for absolutely sure which one(s) are/is the right one(s)? If you do, then IMHO you are arrogant beyond the pale (palus).
That does not mean that Religion does not play a vital part of human existence. On the contrary, without faith we would be "soulless" creatures for sure. We "Must" feed our souls or what makes us human will wither up and die and we will surely become animals, since our "Souls" (self awareness and empathy) are the ONLY things that separates us from the animals. Having a "Soul" also imparts an "Enormous Burden", becoming "Aware" means we now have the RESPONSIBILITY.

There is a "Reason" that Religions are based on "Faith".
It could be argued that part of the Human Condition with our "Expanded Mind" has lead to the following:
People who "Believe in a Deity" are "Religious"
People who "Converse with a Deity" are "Neurotic"
People who "Live with a Deity" are "Psychotic"

Where does a Neurotic/Psychotic Zebra go for help?........into the stomach of a hungry Lion ;-)

Let Science "Feed" your mind and let Religion "Feed" your soul.

Answer 5

Do you remember what the weather was like on July 1st in 1066 AD? How about in 3006 AD?

The absence of your reality of these dates is the same as would exist to a person apart from space, time, energy and matter.

The singular exception is that once a person enters this life, the person becomes a life form that exists forever - spirit. You are absolutely correct concerning the necessity of the Creator. At one time, these values you speak of could not have existed at all. How did they come into existence except by a Creator?

Answer 6

I don't think there can be existence in this universe without space, time, energy, or matter. That is why evolution doesn't make sense to me: where would the foundational matter have come from, where would time for it to develop come from, why is there space in which it develops? Those questions just aren't answered by evolutionary theory. I think there must be a creating deity.

Answer 7

remember, ability and area all existed earlier our certain universe got here to be... Or a minimum of the large Bang idea helps this. And time? Time is relative to the remember and events round it. Time is a procedure that became entirely created by utilizing human beings. genuinely, there is not any such element as time without the presence or involvement of human beings. therefore, time somewhat does no longer exist everywhere besides the undeniable fact that the human ideas because all it really is is a length. So keeping that element does no longer exist outside of our universe is comparable to keeping that length or volume does no longer exist outside of our universe. It would not make any experience.

Answer 8

Hi, I agree in that this world did not create itself. There was a Creator who is unlimited in power, cause if not who could a world that's limited create itself. In addition without space, time, matter and energy there would be no existence.

Answer 9

"Existence is a flaw in the perfection of non-existence."

I can't remember who said it, but I think it pretty much sums it up.

Answer 10

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