please don't get angry, as I am not trying to fight?

Question

In a christian context:
The bible teaches that homosexuality is forbidden. So is revenge, and adultry and besiality.
I will no longer argue the point of how someone became homosexual.
I just wonder why this desire is not fought against like we should fight against other "natural", but prohibited desires?
I am not a 'homophobe", as I do not fear homosexuals. I am not a bigot, I am not intolerant. I have a firm set of beliefs that guide me and, as I am ot the arbiter of right and wrong, I rely on a higher, incorruptable standard.
I just wonder if anyone in the homosexual community has thought along these lines.
I guess I am asking if the same claim of "I was born this way" is acceptable to you if it is used in the case of people who like sex with young (pre-pubescent) children or sex with animals?
If not, How can you defeat their claim and keep yours?

Molly, How can you equate telling someone that they are wrong is equal to hate? There is no connection.
I am only equating homosexuality to other sins, I am not, repeat NOT, saying that being homosexual is being a pedifile or a rapist and I realize that no one claiming to be gay is truely answering the question asked, but skirting it.

as for the bestial and child molesting (and revenge, you are all forgetting that!) I am talking about the person's DESIRE
Someone states that his/her 'natural desire' is towards children or sheep, or the 'natural desire' for revenge and not justice.
I agree that apart from the religios context, anything goes. Watch out if that is what you want!
once again I am not saying that one sin IS the other sin, but that sin is sin and the Bible states that the 'natural' man is at enmity with GOD

Answer 1

Look at all the sin in all these answers for the Gay community. the hatred, violence, profanity. A perfect example.

This is a PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE QUESTION people. This person is simply comparing sins to sins and requesting a reasonable answer and not one f these answers from the "Gay Community" is reasonable.

PERFECT EXAMPLES!!!

Answer 2

I usually avoid these questions, but your question seemed sincere. Here's my opinion about it as non-gay, non-christian.

First of all, the only arguments that I've heard against homosexuality are religious. Outside of religion, specifically Christianity, there are no good arguments against it. Only in a Christain context, there may not be a way to justify it.

Second of all in regards to your last 2 questions homosexuality harms no one, where as sex with children and animals do. Even incest is harmful because of what happens when a baby is produced.

This is what I don't understand however. There are many rules, and commandments in the Bible, in the old testament. Why are some followed and others not? I have been told that when Jesus fulfilled the law, that the old law was obsolete and only the new law that Jesus commanded was relevent. But somehow some of the old laws still have to be followed? I don't get it. Personally I don't think it's as clear cut as everyone says it is.

Answer 3

I think that all that is really moot because I'm not Christian.

I mean, if you're down with the Christ-iness good for you, but I really don't give a sh*t what the Bible says about people like me. I'm sure it has a lot to say about me being gay, being an out spoken woman, being a pagan. But I just don't care.

And I think that the question about pedophiles and animals is moot. Over and over again, studies have shown that people become child molestors because they were molested as children. They're not born that way. And I doubt that anyone has ever studied why people have sex with farm animals, but it doesn't matter because farm animals can't consent (with the whole not being human thing), so it is an irrelevent paralell to gayness.

I mean, sorry to disapoint if you're thinking that you've hit on something brilliant here, but all I see is a lot of Bible BS (which I don't believe in) and comparisons to things that are completely inapplicable. How do I defeat their claim and keep mine? By thinking that they're totally and completely different claims that have nothing in common, and that mine is fine and their's is not. It's not like it's hard.

Answer 4

Following my recent pattern, I'll assume you're serious actually just trying to understand. First of all, you need to grasp that simply through the way the concept of language works, the Bible has to be interpreted. Meaning that you already HAVE interpreted the bible. I won't get into other parts that you probably choose to use context for; I'd rather not flesh out that argument here. But as such, some people do not believe that the Christian God condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, we live in a pluralistic society in which everyone ISNT Christian. If you take religion out of the picture, you are forced to reason all of your morals through for yourself (I won't argue that that's better or worse). So, you need to ask yourself: who is being harmed by your fulfilling of this desire? Promiscuous sex is potentially harmful to yourself (diseases, especially if unprotected; and also emotionally if you're repeating a pattern that leaves you without a true mate), so that might be wrong. Sex with children is definitely harmful to said child, and the same for sex with animals. So as for just romantically loving someone of the same sex who is mature enough (by psychological age, physical age, and by law) to love you back, who's being hurt by that?

Answer 5

This is a perfectly legitemate question and I have wondered the same thing. Homosexuality COULD be seen along the lines of a sexual deviation, such as attractions to children or animals. However, gay people are (usually) with consenting partners, where children can never really consent and are not sexually mature anyway; they shouldn't do anything with anyone! Gay teenagers or adults are not of a different species, like animals are. I think it comes down to what society accepts. Homosexuality used to be listed in the DSM as a mental disorder, because it was seen as one. Now it is more acceptable in society, which pedophilia and bestiality will never be and should never be (thank God!)

Answer 6

What if I told you that in actuality, any sex at all is sin? That the original sin of "eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil" was the creating of life by man rather than by God, which is what banished Adam and Eve to Earth.

Would you then give up sex altogether and live as a celibate?

The reason the bible teaches that we are all sinners is because we are all born from sin (not ours, our parents)... and yes, they did believe in reincarnation and carrying the karma of our parents.

But, none of that matters at the heart of it, because the bible also teaches that all sin - even the littlest - is abominable to God. So, every little disrespect to your mom and dad, every sinful thought or deed, is equally abhorrent.

The deal is to not go around worrying about how others are living and whether they are living up to their own or your ideals. We strive to do the best we can. If you are a Christian, trust that God can work through the holy spirit in the hearts of all men and women without your interference... just as it has been for all time. And look inward and upward for your own self instead.

Answer 7

One size doesn't fit all. We don't know why a lot of people are the way they are regarding sexual preferences. We just know a lot of people ended up in some places they weren't expecting.

The only real choices we get with sexuality are: do, or don't.

A person shouldn't have sex with children because children don't understand sex, because they aren't physically ready for sex, and because of the massive betrayal of trust it involves. Also, because children don't understand romantic love. Sex with a child is rape, and can't ever be anything else. It's just completely unjustifiable.

But, a lot of that isn't true for adult relationships. Adults are capable of consenting to sex that their minds and bodies are fine with. In which case, it seems a bit unfair to put barriers in their way based on what they do being wrong, when, frankly, nobody made a decision to be like this. That's unfair, and dare I say, unrealistic.

I mean, to take your statement to its natural conclusion, why should anyone be allowed to have sex while we know children are being sexually violated? The answer I suppose, is: because we, the consenting adults know what we're doing. Pedophilia seems to be a thing you do when your mind isn't working completely right, and I know this is subjective, since mental health is generally in the eye of the beholder, but gay people have sex with each other, and their minds work fine.

I don't know if that helped. Hope so.

Answer 8

When the supreme court decides that the individual states may not make laws prohibiting child molestation and bestiality on constitutional grounds then you can make your final comparison.

Until then, that part of your question is moot.

You begin your question with "In a Christian context."

That means from your point of view, based on the bible... bla, bla, bla. Most people on the planet are not Christian. Most of the population of the world has never read the Holy Bible. Your "higher, incorruptible standard" is only yours and those like you. The rest of the world has a different point of view.

Any society that will prohibit sexual behavior between consenting adults is only seeking to keep people as slaves by way of guilt and repentance.

The only people who wish to compare a consenting gay relationship with child rape and bestiality is a pervert who wants to justify his/her perversion. Normal people understand the difference.

Answer 9

Do you fight against your desires as an [assumedly] straight person? Then why do you expect me to fight against how God made me, as a gay person?

I don't think the way that God made anyone's orientation is a mistake or "unnatural." God doesn't make junk.

Do not equate gay people with bestiality, rape, or pederasty. Those all involve taking advantage of non-consensual partners. If you did your research, you'd also find that these are also all a lot more prevalent in the "straight" community. So please apply the same rules to everyone.

Answer 10

As a straight guy, I don't agree with homosexuality myself, BUT it is not my/anyone's business what other people do that does not affect us. As a Christian, the bible does speak against it like many other things (as you have stated) but again it is not our concern what others do. God will judge them. As for your beliefs, and others, there is nothing wrong with having a belief in something. If you are testifying to someone who is gay, don't point it out that they are doing wrong. Just show them what Jesus is about and let them take it from there. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. And Judge not, lest you be judged.
Peace.

Answer 11

The bible says alot of things are forbidden as you speak of homosexuality, do you eat shellfish? you are breaking a bible rule. course why lead your life by a book anyways? your life is yours to lead, if we were created in god's image, then we are all god's children. No one should live by a book, live your life the way you wish. Having impure thoughts is another one, how many married hetrosexual men or women can you honestly say have never had an impure thought about a coworker, or neighbor, the lawnboy, the poolboy, or anyone.

along the born with it, i was born with it, i was never attracted to girls when i was younger, even when i am/was supposed to be, i was always attracted to boys, and i always knew this, as to acceptable i accept it obviously and have nothing to fear in death or eternal life, i am who i am and that's all that matters, i have done nothing wrong, and i have my own beliefs, religions, and ways of living as well as any other.

I don't believe in churches, people preaching a specific book, text, word.. do we need this to live our lives? If you follow the bible it says that you are not to follow an idol, what do you think the church actually is? You can find jesus under a rock, in a forest, not in a church made of marble with large crosses, and comfy pews/chairs to sit in with cool lighting and sound systems.