Free choice.?

Question

If the current model of the universe and the physical laws that govern it are correct, then how can free choice exist when the current model of the universe states that every particle that comprises the universe travels and behaves in a way that is predictable?

Maybe I should have worded it more carefully and used the word definite instead of predictable. Heisenberg only states that we can not observe definite states with 100% accuracy with current means of observation.

What a mess. It'll go to vote.

Answer 1

Humans are ungovernable, unpredictable and irrational. As such they do not follow the universal laws.

Answer 2

Actually I don't think that the current model of the universe does state that every particle is predictable. I may well have misunderstood them, but I think that chaos and quantum theory both suggest a universe that is unpredictable. The next question is, even if you can predict my choices, does that mean I don't make them freely. For example if you know I like chocolate you can predict that when offered a bar of chocolate I will accept. Does that mean I had no choice but to accept it, or did I still have the option of doing so?

The other point I feel I should make is that randomness is no more compatible with free will than a predictable universe. If our decisions are made caused by random events, that does no mean we have free will.

Answer 3

There cannot be free will in humans. If there were, then we would have to account for that will itself: if your will is to pleasure yourself (and you are free to do so) have you chosen that will? If not, then you really aren't more than a calculator of pleasure (in this example); if so, then on what basis did you make that choice? Either it was randomly chosen (and humans do not choose randomly) or it was chosen on yet a further basis, and then the question becomes if that basis was chosen....

Ultimately, a being with free will would have to choose randomly, since any criteria-based choice would necessitate the question of the choice of that criteria. We know that humans do not in fact choose things randomly, so we can be sure that humans do not have a free will.

violeo: unfortunately humans are extremely predictable. When have you ever seen a person acting radnomly? It never happens. Even the choice to act random is not itself random, but chosen for a specific reason. How many people are original and unrandom? I mean, even your answer to this question is the same as those of Sabrina F and xqueenyx!

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that three people wrote in using the same arguments of human randomness and unpredictability?!

Answer 4

No free choice, we have only one choice the choice we choose, or one at the time. The moment we choose, the choice is not free. Take it or leave it.Basically we have two free choices accept chosen one or not. It is questionable does that infinity choices really exist? Is chosen choice chosen or given really? Before the choice is made we have visible few and imaginable and unknown infinity of choices. It does not makes choice free at all means. Only one choice at the time. Speaking of universe, that "predictable" universe creates unpredictable outcome quite often if not always.In a big scale current model of universe and the physical laws is correct only in our minds filled with conditions. In Truth thing always becomes "correct" if corrected, and correction is entirely human labor based on minds current conditions. Anything would be questionable that is why we created legislation of certain guessing as a laws of truth. Still very foundation of that truth is unknown, that is a fact. That would lead to enormous revelation...We are not discovering anything, but Creating...creating out of scratch

Answer 5

Hmm, good question. The way I see it you have made the answer clear yourself. It is predictable. Every way particles travel and behave is predictable, but it is impossible for them to move in two ways at once. Just because every way is predictable, does not mean that chance is somehow out of the question. It is true, there is no way to once move out of the system you think in, there is no way to outsmart that system, no way to suddenly say:¨Oh, the world´s in that circle and I´m out of it!¨. But do we need to get out?So what if every choice we might make has been predicted, or can be predicted? Does it matter? In one millisecond a person can not at the same time die and be born again. Time makes the difference, and time is what causes probability. Sure, we know what can happen, but did we ever stop to say when?

Answer 6

Physics offers one perspective in which deterministic causal laws are central. But Physics is not the only human concern and it does not offer the only and absolute explanation of the world. Ethics is another important human concern and it offers another perspective in which free choice is the central concept in the explanation of the world.

Answer 7

Were you forced to register, and type the question? Or it was by free will? It was by choice, wasn't it.

It is why, mankind is greater than the universe because he and she has a will. Universe, the trees, nature hasn't. They have a course to follow.

The only choice u haven't got in, is age, growing older and death. and yes, taxed while you're alive or dead. lol.

Answer 8

The secret is averages. The specific actions of an individual particle are unpredictable, but put enough of them together and approximately so many will do one thing, so many will do another, and so on.

Answer 9

As individuals we have free will. We choose what comes next by our actions. You effect your surroundings, other people, events...a chain if you will. No matters what or how we choose to act, it's irrelevant, because there is always the end result. No matter how it's done...it's done.

Answer 10

i don't believe that humans are predictable.....simply becuase we are not like each other, we don't think like each other, and we sure don't behave like each other.
There fore we can never be predictable.......some people aren't even rational in there actions.....if you wanna find out.....just spend a day at he hospital, and try to find out why some are there.....or go to a police station.......u'll get what i mean.......
Good luck