Why don't SOME people think that when your gay,your going to hell?

Question

I have nothing aginst gays,I just feel bad because its not there fault what the devil did to them.The devil is plants thoughts inside your head,when your children.Because Most gay people say they knew they were when they were 5 and 7.The devil loves children,because children,have such tiny minds waiting to be filled with knowledge.So its easier for him to make them that way,you can't be born gay.Because god made everybody and the devil try's to mess up his plan.God's plan was designed for Men and Women,not women and women or men and men.That was his plan for nature.But if your gay your going to hell.Thats a cheat way of how the devil gets more people on his side.And people who hate gay people will go to hell too.Because god said"love thy neighbor,not hate.So thats more people going to hell,unless they have a change of heart.I don't hate gays I feel bad for them because it's not there fault.Its a free-b the devil does to get people on his side.It is a choice,the devil gave you!

Answer 1

Dear Bananaman

You really do care! Thanks for including those that hate on the train to hell.

I know you mean well and your concern IS touching (at least I took the trouble to read your blurb)

BUT

please understand, few, if any of the Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals are going to be swayed by the writings in Leviticus and Romans, we are what we are and although you think it was our choice to be attracted to the same sex (or to have that ability), we don't believe that it is a choice.

The choice we make is either to act or not on these desires we have. Those of us who take the decision to act on those desires do not believe that God will punish us (if we even believe that there is a God). He hasn't been a vengeful God since he let Noah out of the Ark and I don't consider that He would break his first Covenant with us because we choose to rejoice in homosexual love.

Peace and Sleep well

Answer 2

Listen, the devil did not plant anything in my head. I am Gay because God made me this way. The same way he made you straight.

Look at animals and how they are similar to human sexuality. Are you saying that the devil plants thoughts in animals heads?

God does not want to judge others. That is his job. By saying I am going to hell you are judging me. You are deciding my fate.


My advice is to take a religious studies or religious theory class or two and you'll learn something about Sexuality in the Bible. Take it from me. I am working on a Masters in that field.

God loves everyone. God does not hate and he most certainly does not make mistakes for the Lord is perfect. If God made me gay and that is wrong then God is wrong therefore he does not exsist.

I know he exsists and I know he Loves me. My faith in God gets stronger every day. There is no way the devil influenced me or is in me.

If what you're saying is true...Then I'll see you in Hell.

But I don't believe that.

Here's a question for you. Do you know any gay people? Try making some friends that are Gay and you'll find that we're not that different from straight people.

God Bless you and Keep You.

Answer 3

Your question should have been for true christians only. It's apparent that just about everyone that answered your question doesn't believe in God so therefore no Devil. Keep studying your bible and believe and pray for them. And to Uncle Frunk. Yes God has poured his wrath on Gays. Look at the lives aids has taken. Not to mention of innocent people. The bible was written for our protection and our benefit. If people would only listen. You are only suppose to have one sexual partner but because no-one listens, look at all the sexual transmitted diseases there are. Men are not suppose to lie with men it is wrong. If the bible is so full of false information, how in the world does it know so much about our safety!?In Job chapter 26 verse 7 it says that, "He stetcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Think about that. How did Job know that the earth was just hanging on nothing, unless he was inspired by the one true God. What year was it that they finally did see that the earth was just hanging in space? Any one know? The bible is full of information such as this. It's there for us. Love and God Bless

Answer 4

I'm glad you didn't grow up thinking the Peanuts was real. You'd be quoting Charlie Brown like he was the latest prophet. The devil is just an imaginary manifestation of early man's need to put a face on what he considered 'evil'. Plus, it's a handy tool to have to blame something on.

Gay people are born the way they are, and it has nothing to do with religion. Now, we could discuss whether it is 'normal' or a problem with the brain or something to that effect. To me, it's just another normal sex persona, that has been demonized by narrow minded people, such as yourself.

Answer 5

I find it fascinating that you're so certain that being gay sends you to some kind of hell, when judging from a Judeo-Christian perspective, there is no actual mention of homosexuality in the bible, because there is no word in Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew for "homosexual" I'm sorry your not intelligent enough to actually *study* the religion your condemning people with, and even if the mistranslated verses were corrct the only condemnations would be towards males, not lesbians. So sorry. brush up on your Biblical languages, grammar, spelling and Bible in general before asking another question like this, please.

Answer 6

well if i'm going to hell, then i'm going to hell. at least they will be some interesting people there. but i'm not going to allow someone to spout ancient verses at me as away of saying-"oh, i don't hate the gays, but god does, and here's where he says so, and what he's going to do to you!!"
i know where i stand with god, i have had my trials and tribulations with the man, and both he and the devil both have had plenty of opportunties to take me if they wanted me, and yet, here i still am, loving god, loving life.
and i post this for your consideration-if god knows everything about you, knew you from the moment you were conceived, knows you past, present, and future, and has a plan for you. then how do you know that god hasn't meant for me to be gay? don't use the bible, because it can be interepted a million different ways. tell me when you became god's messenger. i'll be waiting.

Answer 7

The "devil" has nothing to do with homosexuality, any more than he does with anything else. The "devil" is a theological construct made out of Satan -- the "adversary" in the Torah and haf-torahs (jewish scriptures) -- not the advesary of PEOPLE, but the advesary of GOD.

Of course, the scriptures are obviously not factual. The Bible is full of errors, contradictions, failed prophecies and false history.

While we have none of the autographs of the Bible, the early manuscripts we do have have and that are known to be genuine, by the most conservative estimates, have 200,000 differences between the wording in them, and while many are not meaningful, some completely change the doctrine of the church. (Ehrman, Bart, Ph.D.; Misquoting Jesus: The story behind who changed the Bible and Why; Harper Collins, 2006 -- p. 89). less conservative estimates range up to about 400,000 -- and there are programmers now endeavoring to write a program that will be able to count the exact number of variances.

And that's only the start of the difficulties for the Bible. If you only use the Textus Receptus (Received Text) as it is printed in modern Bibles then you are looking at enormous problems anyway -- in fact insurmountable ones. The World does not have corners (Isaiah 11:12), nor does it sit on pillars (I Samuel 2:8), nor water (Psalms 24:1-2). God did not establish a solid dome over the earth (that's what firmament literally means) and he does not have a palace on top of it from which angels can come and go up Jacob's ladder -- which might be reached by the tower of babel -- and where he keeps "treasuries" of hail and snow (Job 38: 22-23). For the sake of all that is decent, you can't even harmonize the 1st and 2nd chapters of Genesis with each other, say nothing of being able to defend the Biblical creation as scientifically factual. That's no surprise though, as the Bible tells us that beetles have four legs (Leviticus 11: 21-23) and that rabbits chew their cuds (Deuteronomy 14:7). It says that pi is 3, not 3.14 (I Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2) and that the mustard seed is the smallest seed in the world and grows into a tree [neither of which are true] (Matthew 13: 31-32). It is hardly a font of rational thought or scientific accuracy. Furthermore these errors only scratch the surface. Try harmonizing accounts in Joshua and the telling of the same tales in timeline in Judges sometime. If you can you are more proficient than any theologian I've ever met, and I've met a few.

Late bronze age men created the OT and early iron age ones the NT. It is not surprising therefore that God cannot lead Israel to defeat Iron chariots after promising he would (Judges 1:19), and it is not surprising that Israel flees from the god Chemosh, after the king of a city the Jews were beseiging and that God had promised them they would overthrow offers his own son to Chemosh as a human sacrifice, resulting in Chemosh driving the Israelites away (2 Kings 3: 19-27) -- further it is not surprising that no punishment is mentioned -- the Israelites were still sacrificing their own children, as is evidenced in several places, but most graphically in Judges 11:30-39

The long and short of it is, the Bible is a mythic book, written by bronze and iron age men who were recording primarily oral legends in written form. In any realistic sense it is drivel. You can see, just in the passages I noted above from 2 Kings -- the last vestiges of polytheism fading away. Chemosh was supposed to get power from human sacrifice, just as Jehovah did -- and that power allowed him to turn the table against Israel, despite the fact that God was with Israel.

Read the verses, read the context -- to all the things I've suggested, calm your breathing and thinking and ask yourself if this is really the God of the Universe you are reading about -- or a tribal deity, which has now evolved into the one we worship. I think you will find biblegod sadly lacking -- something the liturgical churches have been saying for hundreds of years. If you find yourself unwilling to even look -- ask yourself why? Are you willing to sacrifice the truth, in order to maintain a comfortable myth for yourself?

The "devil" is no more real than the book, assert and assert all you want. I'm sure you remember as a child thinking that if you wanted something hard enough, or prayed for it enough, it would appear -- and then it didn't. Likewise, you want the book of fairy tales to be true, you want it to be, you want to know the TRUTH, you want to be able to understand. It's all so simple, the devil and god and spiritual choices. ONLY.... Only.... That's all made up, just like any other fairy tales. God has nothing to do with an inaccurate made up book -- and worshiping it is just biblio-idolatry.

Sorry, no choices, no devil, just genetics and nature and maybe some nurture, though I don't believe it.

Get over yourself and stop trying to tell adults fairy tales.

Have a nice day.

Regards,

Reynolds Jones
Schenectady, NY
http://www.rebuff.org
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PS To loveydovey -- Despite your attempt to assert that everyone who doesn't agree with your particular idea of God doesn't believe in God -- many of us IN FACT are Christian. Believing in Jesus Christ has NOTHING to do with a particular view of the nature of sin, nor does it mean that you believe in a laughable set of myths in the Bible. Faith in Jesus Christ existed for hundreds of years before the canon, and we have no autographs of the originals at all -- so even if we thought the original bible was inspired (I do not so think) we can NEVER KNOW WHAT IT SAID. Thank you however for thinking you know more about what I believe than I do -- and more about what other people believe than they do. Very convincing, I'm sure. "True Christians" -- get off your horse lass, please.

PPS Note to all -- Carlton b has emailed me and attempted to argue with my on the existence of the "devil" -- I have returned email to him asking him to email me directly and offering to debate him online. I even told him my base assertions -- though they should shock no one. I have no idea if he will accept or reject my offer. We will see. I have already informed him that if he does accept I reserve the right to publish the debate in whatever form I choose -- which will consist initially of a running copy of it on rebuff.org. Thanks.

Answer 8

The devil doesn't exist, and even if he did, he didn't do ANYTHING to gays that he didn't do to everyone else. People can get crappy ideas in their heads anytime, like that one cannot possibly be born gay, or that if one is, they're going to hell. How can you possibly know the precise plan of a deity. We gays don't need a change of heart or your pity... it's not a choice, it's just part of who we are! Please, please, use logic and compassion!

Answer 9

They are going to hell.your right!God said if man ly with man as they ly with a women they should be perished.You will go to hell,and why are gays always trying to make others be gay.Yall need to quit that!

Answer 10

Sadly, I believe in neither Hell or the Devil.