Guys what do you think of this?

Question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni

its a sick thing that in this day and age it still goes on

I only found out about this after getting this months issue of gay times
it seems it was hushed up

I only found out about this after getting this months issue of gay times
it seems it was hushed up

I only found out about this after getting this months issue of gay times
it seems it was hushed up

Answer 1

Wow. I had no idea. I know you said guys, but that actually made me cry. It's so frustrating. I just... I hate the fact that people hate each other. The most misinformed, rascist, sexist homophobe - I don't want to spend time with them, but I cannot bring myself to hate them. How could you possibly bring yourself to kill another human being because they loved? I'm sorry... It's just - I can't stop crying now. Thank you for making me aware of this travesty.

Answer 2

hmmm well I would hope that they where not hanged for being gay but because they had raped a 13 year old. I was raped by 7 teenage boys as a 9 year old so I have little tolerance for rape of a minor. If they truly did rape the 13 year old I can only say that castration was probably a more suitable punishment. I can't really fault the Iranians for following their law if it is for punishment for rape I think it was unfortunate if the men who where hung where minors when it happened that they did not get jail time instead but I think that some crimes are extreme and need to have extreme punishments. If they where hanged just for being Gay then I am there with you and I am appalled that this could happen.

Answer 3

I have been active on this for some time. I have distributed dozens of copies of the pictures and have followed the debate. My partner and I wrote to and requested condemnatory statements from a number of mainstream and some fringe faith communities regarding this as well, in fact.

To Randy: Yes, the story of the supposed rape of the 13 year old, which "emerged" about the same time that the international furor over the hangings reached a point where even the clerical leaders in Iran itself were beginning to be afraid of the backlash, was very poignant -- except to people with enough theological training to know that Shari'a law demands (does not request, but demands) that in a case of rape, there be a certain number of male eye-witnesses giving public testimony, and that the victim be produced (age is no excuse) and in some cases that the victim as well as the perpetrators be brought forward and put to death for adultery. These things clearly did not happen. What did happen was that the story gave cover to Western and Far Eastern democracies to allow them to say something to the effect of "see,it was justified" and back off. Given the reaction even many gays have to the story -- unquestioning acceptance of the Iranian government's official position on what happened (which only was mentioned weeks after the fact of the hanging and was NOT mentioned in any of the documents from them being held for 14 months prior to being hanged.)

I know just enough theology to be totally unimpressed and to consider the claim bogus, particularly considering that rape was never mentioned in the trial, but voluntary homosexual relations between the boys were. In fact, their primary defense was that they were unaware, being working class and probably illiterate, of the Shari'a prohibitions. The whole trial becomes a complete farce if the real "crime" was never mentioned and the conviction was for something that was immaterial but defended against by the defense lawyer. Likewise,the fact that this happened in the midst of a purge of homosexuals in Iran, a purge during which other gays were killed, also is worth noting.

I also admit to being influenced in this regard by several young Arabian friends whom Jonathan and I have kind of taken to parenting when required, since they are in the US for college and are gay (none of them intend to go back, even to the UAE--the most liberal of the gulf states). They simply laugh at the story, and say that Iran had to say it once the news broke.

The links below go to some articles on the Iranian situation overall, and a couple on Islamic Law -- though not focused as much as I would like.

Regards,

Reyn
http://www.rebuff.org

Answer 4

Is it any surprise that the ones hanging the boys felt the need to cover their faces. They SHOULD be ashamed. I hope i dont offend any one when I say that it might be a good thing that they are dead because I would rather death than have to live in their archaic society as a gay boy. After living over there, you can be sure they are in a better place now. B<

Answer 5

I think that that is an evil evil act, Unlike me that just complained that your the cross dressing postings on female fashion were over 60% trans gender. Its a fact and a comment, and I do not like being called evil, by a person that obviously not normal, and has severe issuses himself.

Why don't you complain that the abuse button is useless again. I have answered your question.

Answer 6

The world is still filled with ignorance and hate, the first feeding to the latter. It will always exist, we fear what we don't understand. It is sickening to see. I think we as individuals need to re-examine ourselves and take the hatred towards others out of ourselves. Only then will this world become better.

Answer 7

I agree wholeheartedly with you - BOTH about the Capital Punishment and the purported "Crime". I'm even disgusted with myself for not having heard about this, before you brought it to my attention.

Or was I temporarily deprived of my senses on the day the BBC/CNN/ITN/SKY News...and the other media reported OutRage!'s and Amnesty's bulletin (nearly a year ago?) ?

Answer 8

They claim that they raped a 13 year old boy while drunk and holding a knife to his throat, and then stole his bicycle, is supported by the alleged victim's father.
If this is true then hanging was too good for them.....

Answer 9

this sickens me. not only the execution of minors but because they were gay? this is the kind of stuff that the gay community has to try to stop.

Answer 10

i personally think if anyone should be hung its people like nibila h.
thats sick, and very sad. Im so glad that i worship a God that LOVES.