if god know the out come thats not freedom of choice?

Question

you have to be logical to understand that if he know the out come there was NO choice in your mind it might seem that way but when he made Hitler "God knows all " he killed all thoes people then makes sense to me all thoes murdred had no choice God made it for them.

Answer 1

I'd invite you to rent "What the Bleep do we know" The question you are asking is answered through Quantum Physics. And "who or what" is the God force becomes quite an interesting idea when you have a basis of how our body's work on a cellular level and the known of alternate reality's or dimensions.
Quite an eye opener.
On a side note...one mans 20 years worth of work decoding our DNA revealed the first sentence translated reads..."God eternal lies within". I think the book was called the God Code. Ponder that for awhile!

Answer 2

I respect your question and your point of view- after all, I have considered this possibility many times, of my own volition.

You said "You have to be logical". Well, sometimes, yes, we do. But not so others. Not everything in the world is logical. When we are talking about God, of course, we can't use the apparatus of logic. There is nothing logical at all about God- although I personally believe that God exists.

I hate to bring up this sad, weak, overly-cited cliche- but other people are correct, when they cry "Free will". We are all free agents, and, ergo, we have selections to make. God does not impose those selections upon us- we make the choices ourselves. It's not God's fault.

If a 23 year old man kills another man on the freeway in a fit of road rage, do we automatically blame the Father of the 23 year old man for the murder? Of course not. By no means. The 23 year old man is of age, and he is 100% responsible for his evil actions.

However, I want to compliment you- I think that you have posed an extraordinary question, but there are some missing elements here. I can't really readily identify those elements...what I mean to state is that you have almost proven your point, but that there is not quite sufficient evidence for it to be completely and unequivocally convincing. More accurately, there is not a clear and transparent connection between the fact that God knows the future, and that this would imply that since he knows the future, that people do not have a choice in what they do.

But the thing is, what if the future is always altering? Do you suppose that the future is set in stone? Or, could it be like a river, always changing?

Being that we have free will, I would say that the future is known to God, because he is omniscient. But just because God knows the future does not mean that the future has been written- although that is within the boundaries of possibility.

Make sense?

You have a legitimate concern and a valid question, though. I think that we should explore these troubling matters more often. Don't you think?

Answer 3

If a 23 year old man kills another man on the freeway in a fit of road rage, do we automatically blame the Father of the 23 year old man for the murder? Of course not. By no means. The 23 year old man is of age, and he is 100% responsible for his evil actions.

Predetermination would nullify your existence

Plate of worms vs plate of pizza.

1) Is/ought confusion, post hoc, bandwagon

2) Nope.

3) Bad analogy.


To make a similar argument:

Suppose we are to flip a coin 5 times.
The outcome is unknown and no rule can determine
what shall happen.
From this vantage point-- there are possibilities, it may land heads or tails with a 50% probablility at each throw.
Or the FUTURE is possible.
We toss the coin 5 times, and 5 times it lands heads.
Very Odd, yet it was not outside possibility.
Looking back, did the coin not land 5 times heads?
The empirical outcome isn't a possibility, after the fact.
Or the PAST is necessary.
We can't change the fact that the coin landed 5 times heads.

Answer 4

Of course it's freedom of choice! We all have our free agency to do what we want even if it means we will get in very bad trouble. As a parent knows that when a 1 or 2 year old baby crawls under the table to get a toy and it tries to stand up, the baby will hit its head on that table. Or if they try to drink from a straw and they spill the liquid on themselves anyway, because they don't know how to do those things yet. God is our Heavenly Father and he knows the outcome of a situation because He's been there and done that. (He knows us). He allows us to fall down and bump our heads so that we may learn from it. If you're a parent then you should understand. Even with our own children we may teach them and guide them, but when it's time to make a choice they might not always pick the one that we know is best for them. Now Hitler, in my opinion will go to Hell and pay for what he did. But anybody anytime or anywhere can hurt or even kill anyone if they so choose. So we do have freedom of choice.

Answer 5

God knows the out come because he knows what choices people will make. He is able to view time as a whole, not just the moment we live in.

People can make a choice to be a different part of the outcome. When the world ends you can choose to be with the devil and his outcome, or you can choose to be with God and his outcome.

The bible does say that no one is promised tomorrow. People (even the jews) can move away from Gods protection, and into a place where theyre open for attack from the devil. IE sickness, death, poverty, confusion, hatred... whatever.

You can try to play the victim, but it wont fly.

Answer 6

Yes, we still have free will. If you sat a plate of worms in front of your daughter/son and a plate of pizza. You know the child is not going to eat the worms but the child still has the choice to choose to eat the worms or the pizza. You do know what the child will choose but it is still up to the child to make the final decision.

Now we all must die. We dont have a say so on when we die and it is written in the Word of God that only the Father knows. We have a choice in decision making of everyday life, not on matters that are inevitable like death or birth. I mean, you can't choose when you are going to be born now can you? Neither can you choose when, where and how you will die.

Answer 7

there's a 2d resurrection for persons who have not had a hazard to get to comprehend and love God in this existence. they are going to be resurrected to a actual existence and given God's spirit to help and instruction manual them right into a gratifying existence. Ezekiel 37:4, 11-14. God provides us unfastened option to make our very own judgements and a few human beings make truly undesirable ones which each and every so often motives a lot of grief for others. it sluggish interior the destiny God will set up a efficient government which will heavily and intently watch over all mankind to help avert tragedies and crime. Isaiah 30:20-21. God is a God of affection and he needs all and sundry to be in his kinfolk yet regrettably some will decide for to no longer be.

Answer 8

Stop blaming God for that. People kill me when they feel that God has done them wrong in life and God is not Good. Hitler didn't know God, that's why he killed all those people. No God. No Peace. Know God. Know Peace.
God has a plan for us, yes, but He places obstacles in our lives to test our faith in Him. We go thru trials that will either display if we have a true faith-base with God and will rely on Him in times of hardships or make statements like yours and show that we may not have a true relationship with God...so stop blaming God ans start being more faithful!

Answer 9

You seriously have to rethink your statement our freedom of choice has nothing to do with the fact that God knows all things...Yes God know beforehand what is going to happen doesnt take any responsibleity from you and you dont know and you do have free choice...just because God is ominpotent and omnipresent has nothing to do with your choice..simply means God has the power to see the past and future...Now God created Man so he is responsible for the sins of man? WRONG...come on be real...God knew that created man would sin ....absolutely we are imperfect and we have free will....now you want to argue we dont have free will...If God wanted perfect robots he could have done that but you would not have had free will...it is the free will that is the reason we have sin and yes God knew we were imperfect and that we would fall in to sin that is why we have the law to show that we are imperfect and have a need for God who provided a way for us he himself paid the penalty of death for us.

Answer 10

That is more of a statement than a question....but I will respond as best I can in hopes of helping you understand. If we were robots than we could blame God for our mistakes....but we aren't robots.
You see God has given us the capacity to chose to obey him because we love him or to disobey. (Deuteronomy 30:19-20; Joshua 24:15) Do we wish it we had no fee will? If you are a parent, would it make you happier if you children obeyed you out of their love for you or if you made them do it? Should God have forced Adam and Eve to be obedient? Would we really be happier if we lived in a world were we were forced to obey God? Before destroying this system(which he does have a set time to do), he is allowing opportunity for people to demonstrate weather or not they really want to live in harmony with his righteous laws or not. At his APPOINTED TIME, without fail, he will destroy the wicked. See 2 Thessalonians 1:9-10