Christians claim there is a god...?

Question

Well, not JUST Christians, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, ad infinitum...

Okay, so PROVE it? And don't tell me to have faith or about your own, give me evidence!!

I want empirical evidence. Like explain why "god fearing" folk date the existence of the world a few thousand years AFTER scientists, but they can PROVE that it has lasted longer through verifiable facts like carbon dating.

Well, not JUST Christians, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, ad infinitum...

Okay, so PROVE it? And don't tell me to have faith or about your own, give me evidence!!

I want empirical evidence. Like explain why "god fearing" folk date the existence of the world a few thousand years AFTER scientists, but they can PROVE that it has lasted longer through verifiable facts like carbon dating.

Answer 1

*yawns* They won't be able to prove it. Just the same as you won't be able to prove God doesn't exist.

Answer 2

I'm not so up on philosophical reasons of why there is a God, but there are many reasons that believers have. I'm just probably not the best person to explain them. I do know a little about the science, though, and that's what you brought up in your question.

Carbon dating isn't as accurate as most scientists would have you believe. Many scientists aren't actually aware of the exact process of carbon dating and all of the assumptions made to get a date from it. "The current maximum radiocarbon age limit lies in the range between 58,000 and 62,000 years." There are other isotopes that they use to measure in millions of years, but, "although radiometric dating is accurate in principle, the precision is very dependent on the care with which the procedure is performed." And the accuracy of these dating processes depends not only on the scientists performing them, but also on all the conditions throughout the object's existence being uniform, which is hard to imagine.

Radioactive carbon is found in fossils dated over 100,000 years old by radiometric dating. Coal, which was supposedly made millions of years ago, has radioactive carbon in it, but it should have decayed by now.

The mitochondrial Eve argument is actually a little off. It's great that they found a mitochondrial Eve, but it's inevitable. There had to be a woman in the past who managed to pass on her mitochondria to later generations, when everyone else from that generation didn't manage to. This didn't happen in that generation, it just means that every other women from her generation doesn't have a continuous line of females down to the present. What's cool is that the dates for "scientific Adam and Eve" come so close to each other, and I think they're fairly recent in evolutionist terms. Of course, there's also the problem that the dating for molecular evolution is even less precise and agreed upon than the carbon dating methods. But it's interesting.

Oh, and if you take the Flood to be true, then it's Y chromosome Noah and mitochondrial Noah's wife.

Answer 3

Why should they need to prove it?

Religion and spiritual beliefs are a matter of faith. They are not something that can be objectively proven, nor should they be.

Whatever someone wants to believe about why the universe exists, or their personal place in it -- that's their choice.

As far as creationism, not many people literally believe that the earth is just a few thousand years old. Even those that do, there's no verifiable proof either way. If the world was created just a few thousand years ago by God, then God could easily make it appear to primitive scientific tests to be older. If it is older, that doesn't mean that it wasn't created. The stories of creationism may be figurative, in terms of timing, because people didn't know how to translate "aeons". We don't know.

But faith doesn't require proof. Nothing requires proof, to any legal or scientific standard, because it's a matter of faith. Conversely, as a matter of faith, it can't be proven and thus doesn't meet a scientific standard. So, if people want the ability to believe anything you want as a matter of faith, those beliefs must be limited to faith.

Answer 4

Stupid. Like it can be proven. Also, "god fearing folk" date the existence of the world to be millions of years after science's hypothesis, not just a few thousand years.

Moreover, God exists because people believe he does. The idea exists and is deeply embedded in our culture. Yeah, the mere act of believing is what makes him real. Like so many others, you are approaching it the wrong way. But yeah, no emperical evidence because outside of this belief there is nothing. You don't think that animals or plants even have the concept of God do you?

Man has created God and not the other way around; but that then begs the question who started it all? The answer is "we don't know..." or "God." Both answers pretty much mean the same thing.

There is no "evidence" that is needed to answer the question anymore than evidence is needed to know that this question is stupid.

Answer 5

I suppose there is no proof that could convince anyone who doesn't want to believe, just like any evidence to the contrary would not convince me that there is no God. I believe because of what I've seen in my life. But as to giving you hard, cold facts, I don't think anyone can do that. There are many things in the Bible that have been shown to be true, many things that are obviously just stories to explain things and aren't really true. Yes, there are many inaccuracies, so don't look to the Bible for exact historical data. The only thing I can say, is that living life with some sort of belief system, whatever that may be, is better than not, at least for me. Also, if you are questioning the existence of God so strongly, is it because you want to believe? If so, you are free to do so without any proof, if you'd like. I wish you the best. Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer, but what I said is the truth. That's the best I could do. Take Care. -Rick

Answer 6

Scientists use their "holy books" (A Brief History of Time, etc.) all the time. That's what makes a theory work or not, that is, it has to hold true to the writings set down by the previous "prophets" (Newton, etc.)
My point is that there really isn't a whole lot of difference between a religious zealot and a scientific zealot. They just put their "faith" in different things. Do you have actual proof that black holes exist, or did you just read about it in a book? Do you have actual proof that the Big Bang happened, or did you just read a theory about it?
Following either science or religion blindly is equally foolish. Each has something good to give to humanity.

Answer 7

If you believe there was not a designer of the world, plants animals, etc; you probably cannot understand things such as creators. So I would need a more intelligent carbon being to explain it to. There are only a few that believe that the world is only six to thirteen thousand years old. God said to The Adam that in the day he ate of the tree he would die. We don't know how many days it was until he ate, but in that day he died which would be a thousand years and he lived 930 years after he ate of the tree.

Answer 8

God wouldn't be much of a God if something as puny as the human brain could actually "know" Him or understand his existence. Man has reasoned that God must exist just by looking around at all of the amazing miracles around us. What started all of the rules of the universe that makes things do what they do? We don't live in utter chaos. Things happen over and over. That means there are rules in place for the universe. Gravity is one. There are probably more rules and constants in the universe than we'll ever know with our limited intellects. Those didn't just happen sometime in the past and decide to stick around for forever. There's an intelligence behind all of this order. We call it God. There is something that's part of all of us that we can't see. It's our soul. Try reading Ganga Stone's book titled Start the Conversation. It'll blow your mind. If you read that book and still think there's not something that exist outside of our bodies, you can't be taught. When you die, you'll understand everything then.

Answer 9

Of course if we could prove there was a god then I guess that everyone would have to believe in him, and faith wouldn`t exist. But since religion is based on faith this should mean that there will never be any proof. Which is where things are at the moment anyway. So whether you decide to believe or not is entirely up to you.

Answer 10

The proof is all around you but you refuse to see it. There is an order in the world and the universe that could not happen at random.
Scientists scoff at the idea of God yet they marvel at the precision of atomic and sub atomic particles.
Others say we evolved from lower species but if that's true, why don't alligators - which predate man on earth - drive cars or use tools?
If you don't believe there is a God, that's cool. Maybe for you there is no God. And when you die - that's it. But I would remind you of Pascal's Wager. Rene' Pascal was a mathematician who claimed that if you believe in God, and there is no God, you've lost nothing. But if you refuse to believe, and there is a God, you'll have a lot to answer for when you die.

Answer 11

I am sorry but I think you are pretty pittiful. There is a God and if you do not believe it look at yourself in the mirror and figure out how you got here. I will be praying for you. Accept God as your lord and Savior before you go to Hell. I prefer living life believing there is a God and going to heaven then living life not believing and going to hell and finding out there is a God. And babe take a chill pill. Also do you see love? Do you see air but you are breathing. I heard a joke from Joel Osteen from Lakewood church-- he was talking about a scientist who was trying to challenge God and he told God we have invented it all spaceships to go to the moon, we created man from clones. And he said I do not know what you can do that we can't. God challenged the scientist and told him ok, lets make a man out of sand. The scientist reaches down to the floor and picks up some sand and God tells him hey, you use your own sand. LOL. Look, if you doubt God existence I challenge you to watch Lakewood church and listen and pray well try to believe and pray to God to show you He exist and I bet you, He sure will. God bless you and I will have you in my prayers. SMILE JESUS LOVES YOU.