If matter isn't substantial but focused/ structured energy, what do we then mean by being?

Question

At what level can being, if not physical, immaterial energized being, exist? Consciousness eluded the materailist quest for capture up till now, and now physicist deleted matter (solid) from the latest current atomic models. It can be argued that matter is dead, and the materialist killed it. Is all now merely conscious/ subconscious constructs, with no objective shared reality indepent from the observer? If this be so either all is my creation, or I am an independent construct within my own Being, becoming aware of myself in multiple consciousnesses, but not being aware at the holistic level of the extent of my being, thus an unaware god. If not this then their must exist an reality independent of the specific observer of which one merely forms part, although it seems with interactive and thus creative potential, not a mere automaton but a free will. Therefor, existence per se precedes subjective existance. So there again, from whence doth all come, who or what was/is the instigator.

Answer 1

very clever, but what are you on about?

Answer 2

Even if Matter is focus energy that is no reason to consider it any less real than Classical solid matter.
this Energy may be a substrata of Matter that underpins its existence, much as biology could be considered the substrata that underpins our human lives, we cant exist without it yet it doesn't make us less real.
Unless you are ready to take the solipsism path which would make you the solitary god in a world entirely of your own creation, you should try to work with the notion that there is an independent physical reality,
Do you feel like the creator and sustain or of the universe ?
It cannot be the case that you are this God unaware, even if this God is split into multiple consciousnesses you will run into the problem of identity. How can it be said to be you and not somebody else ?
Try making your question a little tighter and concise next time, but good luck with your reality problems.

Answer 3

I think you are approaching this the wrong way. Firstly what do you actually mean by 'being'? This is a very vague term, that means different things to different people.

Secondly there are different levels of complexity, The idea that matter is, at its simplest another form of energy, does not mean we have to change how we see matter as acting at a more complex level. If like all materialists you see consciousness as a product of brain functions then it doesn't necessarily mean that a change about our beliefs in matter affects them.

The next issue you address is whether there is an objective reality independent of an observer. This question has been asked by many people over the ages, however as we can only conceive of matter at a complex level, its simpler stages would seem to be irrelevant to this question. To make the assumption you do is extrapolating beyond the available information.

Answer 4

even if matter is only a form of energy it does not change the materialistic perspective of things. It only clarifies what this matter is. Your concious is still only a consequence of this organized energy and you still aren't anything special nor is all of the other energy out there dependent on or a construct of your conciousness.

being now is a rather peculiar state that energy forms into. yes it's very wierd and why would mindless enegy do that? It so happened and it had a cascading effect helped through something like evolution. It then perpetuates itself or at least others like it. Very odd but a better answer than just saying magic or god for no reason.

Answer 5

It is very difficult to respond to all the aspects of your question, there are very many interesting and important questions there. I can only respond to some of them. First of all, according to my understanding, our consciousness is like a gradual spreading of the light of a candle. The light of the candle within which all our awareness and knowledge reside – limited, focused, incomplete and humble. I am not certain whether the light is the light of creation, or it is a light of discovery. If it is a light of creation then the process of creation is incomplete and is unending. All that exists is interdependent. And our reality is subjective, singular and absolute.

On the other hand, if this light is to be a light of discovery then what we see has already been seen, and is being seen differently. It already existed independently as a partial and factual manifestation of the reality. We independently observe an objective reality as an objective reality ourselves!

You see, this is exactly where I run into an intriguing- for example, if I objectively observe reality then I am not a part of the reality I observe, I am, in fact, not that reality altogether since reality has to be absolute otherwise there will be something else, next to it observing or being observed, that is not the absolute reality since it is something else, or our concept of absolute reality is untrue. Furthermore, there are more then on realities is existence at the same time and at the same place. If there are more than one realities then there is not absolute reality with a singular truth in existence. And if I am an objective observer then I am certainly not part of the the reality in my objective observation – and as you will agree being a human being we all are capable of observing ourselves!

On the other hand if this light is the light of creation then the universe is created as my very consciousness. It expands and with the spreading of my consciousness. And my consciousness and the universal consciousness are known as two things but in reality they are the one - one singular truth. The problem is you see, that we think with our existing linear knowledge and find partial facts, one after another, about the reality of existence. Our knowledge and our awareness determine the state of our conscious existence, just the way our physical attributes determine the distinct form of our existence. I think our existence as oppose to our state or form of our existence is eternal and singular. This is the essential that we should consider and contemplate.

It is a very interesting thought that may be I am an 'an unaware god'. Believe me it requires a great deal of straight and strong thinking to realise this, and a even more courage to say it this way. But I agree with you this is exactly what I hope is the case. Lets suppose you are a captain of an ocean-going ship. You are known by other people in your ship as the captain - this is how your world knows you. You are also you, and you have always known yourself as you – or I. Your being a captain is an development of your personal self – you were to become something in your life. And this becoming something is not independent of the world you live in. In fact your being a captain reflects your very individual and unique style of management and command.

You have always known yourself more or less, but now you know your ship. The ship that is in the middle of the ocean. You ship is totally subjective to the needs of its cargo, and to the requirements of the waters its designed to traverse. It is made to be in the ocean – to get there safely and get across it safely and comfortably. A ship is not capable of self awareness. It is a manifestation of human consciousness for a objectively specific purpose – it totally subjective because it is designed with total objective goal in view.

Your being a captain is build upon a sound knowledge of yourself, but it also requires a sound knowledge of the ocean and the ship. This way you, your role as a captain, your ship and the ocean are all interlinked. You cannot be a reasonable person without becoming something. Your ship would have been a ship if it were not built to the purpose overseas and oceans.

In my understanding, therefore, there is no valid concept of objective consciousness. There is no objective me, an objective captain or an objective ship in this ocean which in itself is not objective either – for this is what I believe, can it be subjective to our mind? In the words of Rabinder Naath Tegore: there are many facts, but truth is only one. The problem we face is that of a very fundamental nature we are unable to define and become fully aware of what we are as human beings.

We with our knowledge like to believe in what we can see. We are very much afraid of venturing into the unknown, in your words the realm of 'not physical, immaterial energised beings'. The science has not been invented yet that would allow us to scale the peaks of human existence – the unreachable, awe inspiring but the best in the mist, every now and then it glows in the rays of our intuition and courage, and make us wonder what could it be like to know more.

Answer 6

Your question assumes that the instigator himself was formed out of the same material and in the same way as everything else... Without that premise, the whole thing falls apart.