If people don't like our Constitution and freedoms, why don't they move to another country?

Question

I am being sarcastic here. I hate the "love it or leave it" argument because it tramples on the ideals this country was founded on. My right to say what I want to say is part of the Constitution. As is yours. I think those who don't like it should be the ones leaving. Agree?

Disagree? It's a free country.

I started off with "I'm being sarcastic, here".
I'm a proud American, by the way.

eskimo - funny thing is, I fit the classic definition of conservative, not liberal. Most of the "conservatives" I see here are more "liberal" than they want to admit. Smaller government, limited government interference, fiscal responsibility, and Constitutional protection are all com\nservative traits. Go figure...

freetyme: What takes more balls? Standing up for what you feel is right, like our founding fathers did, or sitting idly by and watching the freedoms given to us in this document be ignored? My vote is for the former.

I love my country. Don't assume otherwise simply because I don't agree with you. When your child has a fever, you don't waste time bragging to everyone that he's an honor student, you take him to the doctor. And you don't accuse the doctor of hating your child when he points out that he has an infection. You thank the doctor, you get the prescription antibiotics, and you work hard to heal your child. That's all I'm doing. I would hope you would do the same.

freetyme- While I applaud you for your excellent knowledge of US history (I knew about the Torrie's but didn't remember Kings Mountain specifically), I think that we strayed a bit from the point I was trying to make. Should we tell people to leave just because we don't agree with them? If Kerry, God forbid, had won in 2004, would you have packed your bags and run off or would you have stayed here and fought for the ideals you believed in? Seeing your previous responses, I would guess the latter.
Why should I be any different? My ancestors have fought in every war in this nation's history since the King Phillip War. Does the fact that I disagree with you make me less deserving of being an American?

Answer 1

Actually, virtually every immigrant to the US, from the original settlers on, LEFT their country because they didn't like it. To say this country was founded on a belief contrary to "Love it or Leave it" is completely inaccurate.

Personally, I think the incessant whining about the country, it's government, and it's world policies is inane and ponderous. It begs the question of why don't these people have the balls to go somewhere else like every other immigrant into this country has done.

The answer is obvious. These malcontents don't have the courage, skill, fortitude, or foresight to seek out, much less actually relocate to a place which would make them happier. They are resolved to simply stay here and b*tch simply because they lack those attributes.

In answer to your additional comment directed at me-

Actually - a significant number of our "founding fathers", including the entire state of New York, were willing to appease England. In another example, as late as 1780, the entire opposition during the battle of Kings Mountain were Americans with the exception of 1 British officer.

In the long eye of history, all of these people have simply riden on the coat tales of those who were willing to fight for liberty.

Many of the comments of the left today would be considered examples of nothing but cowardice at best and teasonous by many of our true founding fathers.

Answer 2

Agree. They are basically saying, "If you don't like the way this country is headed then don't use the freedoms we have (like speech, religion or to petition the government) to change it, but get the hell out!" Notice that when conservatives (because, lets face it, liberals don't tell you to leave the country if you disagree with an act or president) criticized Clinton -which they should have done as citizens- it was okay then. Now with Bush all of a sudden one must leave the country.
Also realize, they frame the issue as you not liking the 'freedoms' which is silly because you said you didn't like an act or decision, which is not a freedom.
Finally, by that logic, everyone who disagrees with something the government does is not allowed to vote or get politically active, or speak their minds but they are supposed to leave the country. Since, at one point or another, every single person finds one instance of disagreement with their government, every person would have to leave. But where would they go? To another country with another government and the process would repeat. Fools!

Answer 3

I am sure we should all be able to say what we want. This tendency recently to silence dissent is not healthy. It makes for more vitriolic arguments in the long run, because people need to express themselves.
It kind of reminds me of the Cold War here. Each side needs to have an enemy to gather support for their side. It works well, and we are all so busy taking one side or the other these days (e.g. gay marriage) that a lot of important matters have been pushed aside by this phony crappy "dialog" between the two sides. And where can you find an actual leader these days, who has common sense, is intelligent and experienced, not corrupted and thinks and communicates clearly? I don't see anybody.

Why don't we just throw out all these creepy, corrupt politicians and start fresh?

Answer 4

Every country has its own +ves and -ves. You can't blame everything on the country. Its mostly the people who govern the country who are at fault or yrs together of mismanagement. So I agree to some extent that if people who don't agree or complain can go elsewhere but you can't never find an ideal country.

Be happy with what you have and make the most of it. Every person can try on their own to make things better. That is my opinion.

Answer 5

well i think that its ok for ppl to disagree with it and they should stay because they might have better ideas than the constitution the ppl who disagree can make a difference and make our country better

BUT i think the ppl who dont care about the others and only hate the constitution because of their own situations (mexicans wanting immigration) can LEAVE i mean seriously america is goin to survive the mexicans are still going to illegally come anyway

it goes for celebrities too who just want more changes to help them have more fun with their money and liberals that are way too liberal

Answer 6

I think people have the right to say love it or leave it, while you have the right to disagree with them. And they have the right to think you're stupid for not agreeing with them, just as you have the right to think the same of them. So just agree that both sides think the other side is made up of idiots and morons and move on, its an argument you can never win, one way or the other.

Answer 7

Well the ability to voice your opinion is the thing that I love about this country. However, I don't agree with flag burning.

The flag represents the freedoms and right people have and burning it tramples on all of our beliefs.

Answer 8

I agree its one of the most amazing things this country has. While a country is making war and invading another country there are people protesting against war at the same time. It certainly is amazing.

Answer 9

Agree- I don't expect the malcontents to leave now anymore than I left during the Clinton administration.

Answer 10

No I don't agree because they're simply stating their opinion. No matter how ignorant it sounds, they still have the right to it.

They're wrong in doing it but you're not?